at what point can law enforcement criminalize pet ownership? because if anyone should have all rights to own pets revoked forever, that family should.

No, it wasn't my roommate's. Someone around the block, I don't even know who. My roommate just witnessed it.

I have heard of people being banned from pet ownership, but I don't know what is required in terms of proof/follow through by complainants.

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Stabbing in the dark...

Does anyone have The Ancestor Syndrome: Transgenerational Psychotherapy and the Hidden Links in the Family Tree by Anne Ancelin Schützenberger that I might borrow or buy for less than $30?

I have used genograms extensively and really, really want to read this book but my library does not have it. It's priced like a textbook!

The Evil Empire Amazon has it for $26 used, bonny. What's it about?

sj, yeah, But then I also feel weird about that thing, after people have a baby where, you know, everyone's all relieved that "everything's okay". Not that I don't want that for them...this is not an easy life, and I'm not militant enough to insist that if I had every choice, I'd still pick it. But it's also not *that* horrible, and I feel a little insulted every time I've got to go "Thank God, another baby that won't live like me." And at the same time, I have to be all over it already. But it's the worst thing ever for your bundle of joy...makes total sense.

I have heard of people being banned from pet ownership, but I don't know what is required in terms of proof/follow through by complainants.

Given that Michael Vick owns dogs again and says he has for a long time? My suspicion is that you make a promise and everyone hopes it works out.

The Evil Empire Amazon has it for $26 used, bonny. What's it about?

Zen, genograms are basically org charts for your family. They are a wildly useful tool in understanding the stories that get passed down, generationally, both consciously and unconsciously.

This particular tome on the subject discusses how particular events and traumas influence subsequent generations and how that chain of experience can be broken.

I'm most interested in it because it is supposed to contain some useful case studies.

The genogram books that I have now use examples like Sigmund Freud's family (just exactly as you'd expect it to be) and Peter Fonda's family as examples. While entertaining, not particularly relateable to my audience.

Given that Michael Vick owns dogs again and says he has for a long time?

I knew he was petitioning for permission with all sorts of ridiculous excuses as to why he should be forgiven, but I had not heard that the petition was granted.

Cass, do you have a link?

sj, yeah, But then I also feel weird about that thing, after people have a baby where, you know, everyone's all relieved that "everything's okay". Not that I don't want that for them...this is not an easy life, and I'm not militant enough to insist that if I had every choice, I'd still pick it. But it's also not *that* horrible, and I feel a little insulted every time I've got to go "Thank God, another baby that won't live like me." And at the same time, I have to be all over it already. But it's the worst thing ever for your bundle of joy...makes total sense.

Yeah, it's difficult. I definitely don't wish ill on anyone's child or think that it is easy on any parent if their child has special needs, but am I supposed to feel guilty that my mother never had the chance to raise a "normal" child? Plus, as someone with spina bifida my chances of having a child with spina bifida is increased, so am I supposed to feel bad about taking that risk? It was just a stupid thing to say to me.

smonster, how awful. I can't even imagine.