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Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Jan 11, 2013 11:41:58 am PST #7339 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, hey ^^^^ wall of text.

Jesse, I added this to my tumblr instead of to good stuff where it rightfully belongs: [link]


Jessica - Jan 11, 2013 11:45:15 am PST #7340 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Shared tables????

I was totally against them at first, but they're not as bad as they sound. Each desk-space is 3' deep by 6' wide, and you have a monitor (or two) in between you and the person you're facing. So there's not any real privacy, but it's not like we're sitting on top of each other.

The only thing I really miss about cubes is having wall space to pin things on.


Calli - Jan 11, 2013 11:46:39 am PST #7341 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

We're pretty hierarchical here about office space, too. You have windowless cubes for the bottom rung staff, cubes with windows for the next level, then windowless offices, then shared offices with windows, then solitary offices with windows. After that it's a question of where your administrative assistant sits and that starts at the bottom again.

I'm in a cube with a window. I passed on a windowless office because I'd rather have the view (a slightly swampy wooded area--sometimes we get deer, herons, and hawks, more often we get ravens, vultures, and an aggressive titmouse that will beat his reflection any damn day now).


Jessica - Jan 11, 2013 11:49:02 am PST #7342 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Open plan office - our company has been featured in a few architecture/design mags since we moved into the new digs. Most of the photos are of the common areas and breakout spaces, but if you scroll to the bottom there's a photo of one of our tables.


meara - Jan 11, 2013 11:58:52 am PST #7343 of 30001

Ugh. I am reminded once again how nice it is to work from home and not have to worry about cubes or offices. Last five years, man. It's been nice.


Toddson - Jan 11, 2013 11:59:23 am PST #7344 of 30001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

The office my group was in a number of years ago went from a badly organized bunch of individual offices to an open-plan space. At least, it was supposed to be an open plan for everyone but all the upper-level people NEEDED a closed office, so we ended up with a bunch of offices and us peons out in an open space. They'd set up, basically, counters that were in odd configurations and you ended up almost face-to-face with the person across. The counters were high enough that people were getting shoulder, arm, and back problems ... and were designed so you couldn't add an under-counter keyboard tray. They found that the face-to-face bit was terrible for people being able to concentrate, plus the noise level was impossible, so they added glass walls from the top of the dividers to the ceiling. When that still didn't solve the face-to-face issue, they had the glass frosted part way up. The noise level remained difficult, since they refused to have any guidelines, much less rules, about acceptable noisemakers, so we had the one or two people who HAD to do all their phone conversations on speaker and the two women who'd have music battles - each would try to drown out the other's music - several times a week.

Needless to say, it was a mess. And, since there was virtually no storage space, it was literally a mess, with stuff scattered wherever we could find some space. And then there was the time the guy who functioned as an office manager decided that we didn't really need all those big file cabinets taking up floor and wall space ... and the person in charge of membership records freaked when she came back from a vacation and found all her records gone.

Good times, good times ...

And this kind of sums things up.


Ginger - Jan 11, 2013 12:03:11 pm PST #7345 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

The power company I worked for had built its headquarters in the '70s to highlight the latest in energy-saving technologies. One part of that was open plans for most floors, with conference rooms in the center. Over the years, various executives decided that they just had to have offices, and they were built in the corners and then along walls. Of course, the building hadn't been ducted for any such thing and the walls completely screwed up the HVAC operation.


Toddson - Jan 11, 2013 12:17:46 pm PST #7346 of 30001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Did you notice that in all the photos of open plan offices the places are IMMACULATE? no stray papers, no personal items cluttering up the place ... not all that realistic, in my experience.


Sophia Brooks - Jan 11, 2013 12:25:00 pm PST #7347 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

If I was at a table like Jessica's, I can't figure out what I would do with my stuff. I print out about 30 billion times fewer things than everyone else at my job, but I still have stacks of notes, invoices, registration forms, brochures, etc.


Jessica - Jan 11, 2013 12:26:42 pm PST #7348 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Did you notice that in all the photos of open plan offices the places are IMMACULATE? no stray papers, no personal items cluttering up the place ... not all that realistic, in my experience.

The photos of my office (the link I posted) are. Office services did ask everyone to tidy up before the photographers arrived, but there isn't a lot of clutter around, generally speaking. The design of the office combined with the green initiative to go paperless keeps things pretty neat.