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'Out Of Gas'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Jul 17, 2013 11:19:23 am PDT #29463 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm thinking nitrates or refined sugars are likely culprits. The idea that I can actually tie a headache to any stimuli, though, isn't something that's come up recently. I avoid continued exposure to my known triggers (which include the nitrates) and everything is the same muted roar. If I managed to lower the background noise enough to start picking that up again with even smaller portions, then yay lower background noise!

Whatever the fucking reason I'm going to go have a lie down in my car. I feel sick.


Dana - Jul 17, 2013 11:37:50 am PDT #29464 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

We leave for Europe a week from tomorrow. Of course this is awesome, but I'm starting to panic.


§ ita § - Jul 17, 2013 11:39:53 am PDT #29465 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hil, and anyone else to whom I might have hit, I'm not trying to cast aspersions on what anyone's earning. I realise that probably came off all sorts of presumptuous.

I remember reading an article explaining why people shouldn't go to art school (unless it's an atelier, which is something I know jack about). They were pointing out that Rhode Island School of Design costs more for a BA than Harvard Law costs for a law degree, and your expected ROI is nowhere comparable. I'd never thought of jobs as direct returns on degree investment before, what with the wide spread of degrees and the number of English majors I hung out with.

I've been working a lot of under-informed and approximate math since I read that.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 17, 2013 11:55:14 am PDT #29466 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

It seems like the flaw in their analysis might be that people going to art school wouldn't necessarily do well if they opted for law school instead. I suspect I wouldn't be making much more as a not-particularly-suited legal aid/clerk than I am in my current job, and I'd probably be a lot less fulfilled.


Tom Scola - Jul 17, 2013 11:58:37 am PDT #29467 of 30001
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

Don't go to art school.


Amy - Jul 17, 2013 12:02:19 pm PDT #29468 of 30001
Because books.

Yeah, I think it's about how many people spend huge amounts for a degree that will only really benefit a small percentage of them. I could say the same thing about an MFA in writing. Give me twenty MFA graduates and one of them will publish regularly and successfully.


Connie Neil - Jul 17, 2013 12:07:17 pm PDT #29469 of 30001
brillig

I've had little/no ROI on my Communications degree. My ROI on the entire college experience is tremendous. The people I hung out with in the Comm department were much more educational/entertaining/enlightening than the people I knew when I was doing a Library Science major, which would have had a bigger ROI.


le nubian - Jul 17, 2013 12:07:42 pm PDT #29470 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

LinkedIn endorsement bombing.

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Be careful out there.


§ ita § - Jul 17, 2013 12:08:34 pm PDT #29471 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's not about picking one degree over another, Matt. It's about ROI on what you do pick, and whether you can get an education that provides similar returns for a much smaller investment.

You're better suited than anyone else here, pretty much, to evaluate the options he lists, but he does list many options instead of traditional art school (including ateliers, as I mentioned before). If you didn't incur the kind of debt he's talking about, then you're not the target market, and if you did but get the money so that it's not a burden, then he's saying you're not typical enough, and that it's not a good bet to make.

Whereas for law graduates, they're on average going to be able to chip away at a similar investment faster. I found the article fascinating.

Don’t start your career with debilitating debt.

Please. I beg you. Think long and hard whether you’re willing to pay student loan companies $3000 every single month for the next 10 years.

You’ve got other options

Seems fair, if the options are valid.


§ ita § - Jul 17, 2013 12:12:01 pm PDT #29472 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The people I hung out with in the Comm department were much more educational/entertaining/enlightening than the people I knew when I was doing a Library Science major, which would have had a bigger ROI.

Is that a factor of degree or institution? Most of the people I hung out with weren't doing my major, and I would have hung out with them as long as my major gave me enough free time.

Be careful out there.

Sounds like fair reason to unlink from people.