I've had little/no ROI on my Communications degree. My ROI on the entire college experience is tremendous. The people I hung out with in the Comm department were much more educational/entertaining/enlightening than the people I knew when I was doing a Library Science major, which would have had a bigger ROI.
Well, you'd better not be thinking what I think you're thinking, because my answer is the same as always — no threesomes unless it's boy-boy-girl. Or Charlize Theron.
Harmony ,'First Date'
Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Connie Neil - Jul 17, 2013 12:07:17 pm PDT #29469 of 30001
brillig
le nubian - Jul 17, 2013 12:07:42 pm PDT #29470 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
§ ita § - Jul 17, 2013 12:08:34 pm PDT #29471 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It's not about picking one degree over another, Matt. It's about ROI on what you do pick, and whether you can get an education that provides similar returns for a much smaller investment.
You're better suited than anyone else here, pretty much, to evaluate the options he lists, but he does list many options instead of traditional art school (including ateliers, as I mentioned before). If you didn't incur the kind of debt he's talking about, then you're not the target market, and if you did but get the money so that it's not a burden, then he's saying you're not typical enough, and that it's not a good bet to make.
Whereas for law graduates, they're on average going to be able to chip away at a similar investment faster. I found the article fascinating.
Don’t start your career with debilitating debt.
Please. I beg you. Think long and hard whether you’re willing to pay student loan companies $3000 every single month for the next 10 years.
You’ve got other options
Seems fair, if the options are valid.
§ ita § - Jul 17, 2013 12:12:01 pm PDT #29472 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The people I hung out with in the Comm department were much more educational/entertaining/enlightening than the people I knew when I was doing a Library Science major, which would have had a bigger ROI.
Is that a factor of degree or institution? Most of the people I hung out with weren't doing my major, and I would have hung out with them as long as my major gave me enough free time.
Be careful out there.
Sounds like fair reason to unlink from people.
brenda m - Jul 17, 2013 12:14:22 pm PDT #29473 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Yeah, I think it's about how many people spend huge amounts for a degree that will only really benefit a small percentage of them.
This is pretty much the situation with law school right now, actually.
Kat - Jul 17, 2013 12:26:11 pm PDT #29474 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
We have a sort of schizophrenic perspective on education that articles like that don't help. Do we want people to study what they are passionate about or is college meant to be a jobs training program? Is college an important part of citizenship from a learning the world perspective or is it merely an investment in the work force? And if it is both, then to what extent?
§ ita § - Jul 17, 2013 12:31:54 pm PDT #29475 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Do we want people to study what they are passionate about or is college meant to be a jobs training program?
The article does not say "don't study art". It does say "don't study art at an expensive university." It suggests meatspace places to study art, as well as other resources.
A guy just wandered by my desk, talked about my doodling, talked about his doodling and his therapist's recommendations regarding same, and...
I have no idea what his name is or why he wandered by my desk, especially since you can't see my face from the corridor. But I do know he has ADD. So, that.
Amy - Jul 17, 2013 12:32:08 pm PDT #29476 of 30001
Because books.
I think in this economy it has to be both, because the cost of education is rising so much faster than average salary. I'd love to go back to school but unless a decent job is going to come out of it, there's no way I can afford it.
I will add, though, that I'm also lucky that I can take advantage of programs like Coursera, and I know enough about what I don't know to use the library to my advantage.
aurelia - Jul 17, 2013 12:40:21 pm PDT #29477 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
It is so fucking cold in the building I can't think.
OMG my hands ache so badly from the ridiculous AC. I keep hiding in the non-AC pockets between theaters for as long as I can get away with.
Connie Neil - Jul 17, 2013 12:47:44 pm PDT #29478 of 30001
brillig
Suzy, re: your cousin (?) going home tomorrow
there is talk of her going home tomorrow (I think that is crazycakes).
Fairly typical, these days, actually. Hubby went in one morning with chest pains, they got him into the cardiac catheterization lab to see what was going on, didn't see anything that needed dealt with, we had lunch at our favorite restaurant on the way home. Stents without complications can easily be an overnight stay.
It's a brave new world. They used to do the catheterization through the femoral artery. The last time they went through his wrist. I remember my FIL in bed for days with a sandbag on his hip holding the incision in the femoral artery closed.