Can't even shout, Can't even cry. The Gentlemen are coming by. Looking in windows, knocking on doors. They need to take seven, and they might take yours. Can't call to mom, can't say a word. You're gonna die screaming but you won't be heard.

Dream Girl ,'Bring On The Night'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


JZ - Jun 03, 2013 6:01:18 pm PDT #24707 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Ugh, Lee. But, FWIW, I've had multiple snags with FasTrak in the past -- everything from transponder dying to expired credit card to accidental toll evasion by way of 3-4 booths in a row failing to ping the transponder -- and they've always been shockingly fast and unproblematic about getting everything fixed. As bureaucracies go, they're clearly doing it wrong.


Lee - Jun 03, 2013 6:19:14 pm PDT #24708 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

The main problem I have with this is that the dealership should have already taken the title out of my name and all that, and they don't seem to have.

I called the dealership and bitched them out already--they say they are going to take care of it, but I'm still going call Fasttrak tomorrow.

I also told the dealership that they have until next Wednesday (when I get home from the conference) to prove to me in writing that they have this solved and that the paperwork is done right, but if they haven't I am going on the warpath, starting with yelp and ending with the Costco auto program.

It could be they picked a bad day to fuck with me.


Zenkitty - Jun 03, 2013 6:58:04 pm PDT #24709 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Thanks for the reset, Zen!

Glad to be of help!

I finished my 75 for the day! Granted, it took me all day, but I did it. Tomorrow is a rest day, and I think I'll start the 30-Day Ab Challenge from the same people tomorrow, so I don't lose momentum from having a day of doing nothing.

msbelle, sorry Oz's diagnosis wasn't better, but glad it wasn't worse. Diabetes is at least manageable.

Lee, that's so frustrating! I hope they fix their stupid mistakes quickly. I've had similar problems with the East Coast version whatever it's called. I got to the point I'd rather just slow down and pay the toll at the time than fool with their systems and devices.


le nubian - Jun 03, 2013 7:03:17 pm PDT #24710 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I also told the dealership that they have until next Wednesday (when I get home from the conference) to prove to me in writing that they have this solved and that the paperwork is done right, but if they haven't I am going on the warpath, starting with yelp and ending with the Costco auto program.

Um, I'm not sure there is any day that is a good day to fuck with you. They will cover the $59 fees, yes?


sarameg - Jun 03, 2013 7:03:48 pm PDT #24711 of 30001

sarameg, Loki is a member of the feline contingent, correct?

Yes, strictly feline household. On the blueberry-scented wellness fatass formula with a couple of cans of crack. All below the necessary diet.

I am still waiting to find out who I gotta pay for the car payments.


WindSparrow - Jun 03, 2013 7:34:01 pm PDT #24712 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Yes, strictly feline household. On the blueberry-scented wellness fatass formula with a couple of cans of crack. All below the necessary diet.

That's about as good as it gets, by way of quality dry food. It does have several unnecessary forms of plant material in it (unnecessary to feline nutrition, that is - dry food pretty much has to have some kind of starch in order to maintain the crunchiness). If switching completely over to high quality canned food is not gonna happen (that has made it much easier for me to manage Harvey's weight) then the only thing I can think of to suggest is getting some treat dispensing toys to put the kibble in to make Loki work for his supper. This [link] works nicely for my cats who get a very small about of kibble as a snack in the middle of the day. Unless you are already doing that, in which case, ignore me.


Burrell - Jun 03, 2013 7:40:20 pm PDT #24713 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Hey WindSparrow, what do you think of Before Grains? My cats have all loved it in a way I don't usually see with the healthy food brands.


Zenkitty - Jun 03, 2013 7:59:20 pm PDT #24714 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

high quality canned food

Which one do you feed them, Andi? I like Sheba (as do they), but I can't find it locally anymore.


WindSparrow - Jun 04, 2013 1:00:54 am PDT #24715 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Burrel, Before Grains Dry or Canned? The dry does have some potato and sweet potate. But it has plenty of actual meat in it and a dry food has to have some kind of starch or it wouldn't hold shape as kibble (I believe). It does seem to have a few ingredients added just to appeal to human sensibilities - the blueberry, for instance. (Rosemary extract is used as a preservative, and as such is miles ahead of some of the ugly artificial ones) After all of Harvey's urinary tract troubles, I look at dry food as nice snack, but feed mine wet food for their main meals, and wholehearted encourage others to do so as well. The B.G. Canned is very good stuff indeed. I keep my cupboards full of several brands and flavors of whatever foods pass both my standards for quality and have neither fish nor chicken due to Harvey's allergies. Merrick is on my short list as a brand. I actually use the Cowboy Cookout and Thanksgiving Dinner, though. Other brands currently on hand include Nature's Variety and Natural Balance.

Zenkitty, the best guidance I can give you is to learn how to read ingredients labels, so you can choose the best of what is available in your area and in your budget. Here is a website that can give you more information: [link] The short version is this. The better foods have specific muscle meats (rather than by-products or meat meals) in the first couple of ingredients. Any grains or other starches are much further down the list - the lower, the better. Avoid by-products altogether. Many cats do not tolerate soy, corn or wheat, so you may wish to avoid those as well. It is unlikely that you will find the better cat foods at Walmart, or at your local grocery store. And yes, you may find yourself standing around in a pet store, reading labels for a long time - I do it myself, whenever I consider a new brand.

If you get concerned that these better brands are costlier, here is something to think about. The cheaper brands are cheaper because they have so much in the way of cheap filler - i.e. grain. Because cats are obligate carnivores, they are not designed to digest grains very well, and do not derive much nutrition from them. In order to get the nutrients that they need from the cheaper foods, cats will eat more. Because the better foods are more nutritionally dense, cats are more satisfied eating less. I know that I can feed my cats portions of foods such as Natural Balance, Eagle Pack, Merrick, Nature's Variety, Wellness, Blue Buffalo, and several others, that are half the size of the portions I fed them of Iams or Hill's or Purina products. This offsets the difference in price. Also, I have learned by hard experience that the less I spend on cat food, the more I spend at the veterinarian's office. Of all the times that I have taken my cats to the veterinarian for over the last fifteen years that had nothing to do with the quality of the food they eat - there was one birth defect (umbilical hernia), the usual maintenance (shots, spay, neuter, annual exams, dental cleanings), and one infection that were unrelated to what the cats were eating. Every other health issue my cats had, including several episodes of bloody stool, scratching ears bloody from reactions to food allergies, struvite crystals - hundreds of dollars in veterinary costs, were all from diet. So don't forget to factor those costs into your pet food budget, eh? Oh, and one incalculable benefit of feeding the higher quality foods - because they eat less and digest more of it, their poo tends to be smaller and less... um... fragrant.


WindSparrow - Jun 04, 2013 1:09:16 am PDT #24716 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Hi, my name is Andi and I'm a pet food snob.