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Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Zenkitty - Jun 03, 2013 7:59:20 pm PDT #24714 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

high quality canned food

Which one do you feed them, Andi? I like Sheba (as do they), but I can't find it locally anymore.


WindSparrow - Jun 04, 2013 1:00:54 am PDT #24715 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Burrel, Before Grains Dry or Canned? The dry does have some potato and sweet potate. But it has plenty of actual meat in it and a dry food has to have some kind of starch or it wouldn't hold shape as kibble (I believe). It does seem to have a few ingredients added just to appeal to human sensibilities - the blueberry, for instance. (Rosemary extract is used as a preservative, and as such is miles ahead of some of the ugly artificial ones) After all of Harvey's urinary tract troubles, I look at dry food as nice snack, but feed mine wet food for their main meals, and wholehearted encourage others to do so as well. The B.G. Canned is very good stuff indeed. I keep my cupboards full of several brands and flavors of whatever foods pass both my standards for quality and have neither fish nor chicken due to Harvey's allergies. Merrick is on my short list as a brand. I actually use the Cowboy Cookout and Thanksgiving Dinner, though. Other brands currently on hand include Nature's Variety and Natural Balance.

Zenkitty, the best guidance I can give you is to learn how to read ingredients labels, so you can choose the best of what is available in your area and in your budget. Here is a website that can give you more information: [link] The short version is this. The better foods have specific muscle meats (rather than by-products or meat meals) in the first couple of ingredients. Any grains or other starches are much further down the list - the lower, the better. Avoid by-products altogether. Many cats do not tolerate soy, corn or wheat, so you may wish to avoid those as well. It is unlikely that you will find the better cat foods at Walmart, or at your local grocery store. And yes, you may find yourself standing around in a pet store, reading labels for a long time - I do it myself, whenever I consider a new brand.

If you get concerned that these better brands are costlier, here is something to think about. The cheaper brands are cheaper because they have so much in the way of cheap filler - i.e. grain. Because cats are obligate carnivores, they are not designed to digest grains very well, and do not derive much nutrition from them. In order to get the nutrients that they need from the cheaper foods, cats will eat more. Because the better foods are more nutritionally dense, cats are more satisfied eating less. I know that I can feed my cats portions of foods such as Natural Balance, Eagle Pack, Merrick, Nature's Variety, Wellness, Blue Buffalo, and several others, that are half the size of the portions I fed them of Iams or Hill's or Purina products. This offsets the difference in price. Also, I have learned by hard experience that the less I spend on cat food, the more I spend at the veterinarian's office. Of all the times that I have taken my cats to the veterinarian for over the last fifteen years that had nothing to do with the quality of the food they eat - there was one birth defect (umbilical hernia), the usual maintenance (shots, spay, neuter, annual exams, dental cleanings), and one infection that were unrelated to what the cats were eating. Every other health issue my cats had, including several episodes of bloody stool, scratching ears bloody from reactions to food allergies, struvite crystals - hundreds of dollars in veterinary costs, were all from diet. So don't forget to factor those costs into your pet food budget, eh? Oh, and one incalculable benefit of feeding the higher quality foods - because they eat less and digest more of it, their poo tends to be smaller and less... um... fragrant.


WindSparrow - Jun 04, 2013 1:09:16 am PDT #24716 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Hi, my name is Andi and I'm a pet food snob.


Anne W. - Jun 04, 2013 1:40:55 am PDT #24717 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I marked that post for future reference, Andi, for when I inevitably get another cat. That's hugely useful information.


WindSparrow - Jun 04, 2013 3:40:17 am PDT #24718 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

It is years of hard experience and learning with Harvey, Anne. May your future cat(s) enjoy years of better health because of the increased nutritional value of your food choices. Sadly many vets and vet techs only know about pet nutrition what they have been taught at seminars sponsored by Iams or Hill's.


Kat - Jun 04, 2013 3:40:25 am PDT #24719 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Speaking of muscle meats, I'm reading Gulp by Mary Roach and she points out, from a carnivore/omnivore perspective, it's much better to eat organ meats since they have more nutrition to offer than just protein. She mentions that in animals in the wild, they do eat organ meats for the two-fer aspect of eating the animal and whatever the other animal had eaten.

Sorry to be gross so early in the morning.

Ari Shapiro = ROWR.

A friend yarn bombed my classroom. It freaked me out.


WindSparrow - Jun 04, 2013 3:42:05 am PDT #24720 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Is that like TPing, only stringier?


Jesse - Jun 04, 2013 3:52:43 am PDT #24721 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I have to say, staying with my dad is WAY less stressful when I don't also have to run home twice a day to give my cat pills.


beekaytee - Jun 04, 2013 4:01:21 am PDT #24722 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Someone just gave me the slogan "Spend it on your pet, not on the vet" with regards to higher quality food.

Our pets don't need to eat as well as we do...especially when is cost is an issue...but they should not eat the garbage that manufacturers use to inflate their profits.

And, as Andi said, some foods are just penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Cagney is in 'lockdown timeout' right now and I'm furious. We walked out of the house for our morning walk after some calm cuddles. He saw an Irish Setter across the street and wanted to say hello, so I obliged. When we got there, both the dog and the non-English speaking au pair walking him were shocked when Cagney jumped the other dog, snapping and growling.

No damage was done, except to nerves, but I'm beside myself. I simply cannot abide that behavior.

He's been so much calmer lately and there were absolutely no signs that this was going to be a problem meeting...and I generally know and avoid anything where he could be a jerk.

I just...


Jesse - Jun 04, 2013 4:11:28 am PDT #24723 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Oh, here's a nice thing: At Christmas, I bought this book that you're supposed to give to your dad to write stuff about his life. Obviously, my dad can't do that, but I hoped that I might be able to ask him the prompt questions and come up with something. It's worked more or less well at different times, but we had some extra time this morning, so I pulled it out and we had a really nice conversation about his father. And I could edit it into some good stuff to write in this book! I'm glad I can take his half-sentences and false starts and turn them into something.