I wonder how much Obama's team learned from GWB's campaigns (and how little Romney's team or McCain's team did). I'm shocked at how close both of those elections were, even with the electoral votes (+4 in 2000 ~+30 in 2004). I don't know how Republicans perceive GWB, but do they think he was successful president with a clear mandate? Because those seem like shockingly close electoral races. Esp. given that most people win with at least 200 EVs more than their opponent.

Well, Kat, I can't quite imagine a pro-gay anti-choice republican who also got me on other issues...but like I said, sometimes it's lesser or two evils. I was shocked at how many votes Jesse Jackson got, even though he's been gone for months in treatment and being all secretive! But then I figured some people just wouldn't vote for a republican even if the opponent was awful.

I think MAYBE if there were a pro gay anti choice but pro birth control and other stuff person...but probably not. Most of my values are to the left of most Democrats these days, I think. Go socialism. (Ok, not really. But universal healthcare and subsidized daycare and better education? Yeah...)

the pro-life women I know are almost all, I think, anti-sex out of marriage. I clearly do not engage in the discussions with them much, but that is a chunk of it.

How in the world did she know to turn up at the poll if she hadn't watched TV, read a newspaper, or talked to anyone in the past year?

I have no idea! She really didn't like the length of the CA ballot and asked if she had to read through all the propositions. (Good thing she doesn't live in Florida!)

Also, as Kat said, I believe he is a genuinely thoughtful person,

Yes, me too. I don't like everything he's chosen to do (drone war! transparency failure! Matthew wassname from Wikileaks! too much use of executive privilege! TSA expansion & security theater! Etc.) But I trust him to make decisions based on facts, and what would in his judgment be best for the most people, and to care about the effects not just on Americans but also around the world.

I admit that I'm really quite interested in his post-Presidential career. He'll only be 55 when he leaves office, and he could do an enormous amount of good work internationally. (Sec-Gen of the UN? Who knows!)

Husband is visiting his father, and his father is very disgruntled about the election. But when pushed on specifics, he can't back them up with facts. Basically, I avoided saying to my husband that his father is a little bit racist and a whole lot classist. Bonus points for me.

But it's upsetting, because his parents are very educated people, with a very wide experience of the world.

Well, yesterday when I was in Bakersfield, tr woman I was working with was talking about working with a patient on Wednesday and not asking her something and said "because she was very upset, of course"...an it took me a second to understand the "of course" meant that her candidate didn't win. Oh...I'm so used to my democrat and gay bubbles that I forget that sometimes people see well-employed white woman and think I'd agree with them on shit.

the pro-life women I know are almost all, I think, anti-sex out of marriage. I clearly do not engage in the discussions with them much, but that is a chunk of it.

Yeah, that's a pretty big disconnect. What still shocks me is how many people who are anti-abortion are also anti-birth control and even anti-sex education. I mean, I shouldn't be shocked; clearly to many people, (1) birth control and abortion are almost the same thing, and (2) only those sluts who have sex without being married would need either, and they don't deserve to have them. But, you know, in REALITY, an excellent way to avoid people having abortions is to educate them about sex and give them access to birth control!

I think the anti-sex education thing is the one I scratch my head at most. Because clearly, if no one ever teaches kids about sex, they'll never be curious enough to experiment with it on their own, right?

I'm single issue if a candidate is vocal about trying to relegate me to second class citizen status, but otherwise tend to vote for whomever I think will do the best job for the most people.

Pretty much. Still, I align with the Dems on pretty much every other issue as well, so that worked out.

I think part of it is people are worried that sex education will teach that sex feels good (it's a message anyone can get anywhere besides schools but people don't want teachers saying that sex feels good) because sex shouldn't feel good. It's a sinful dirty thing that led to the fall of Adam and the only way it's acceptable at all is when a husband initiates it in order to try and have a baby.

And the Song of Songs is all allegorical and has nothing to do at all with people or sex or real actual breast at all.