Don't you have an elsewhere to be?

Cordelia ,'Lessons'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


billytea - Jun 14, 2012 2:31:07 pm PDT #9694 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Like them not knowing how to operate a four-way stop sign.

Tear them down and put in a roundabout?


lisah - Jun 14, 2012 2:37:03 pm PDT #9695 of 30001
Punishingly Intricate

I think I'm mostly nice. The problem I think this guy (and maybe everybody else in the room but he's the only one who said anything) has is that I don't give people a chance to finish what they are saying, I guess? Or I talk over people? Which, I know I'm guilty of that sometimes but, the thing is, we are having these requirements elicitation meetings involving multiple groups of people, some in the room and some on the phone, and we have to get through a lot of material (and try to get the client to make a decision) in a relatively short amount of time. Conversation is an important part of the process--it's how things get figured out--but it's hard to put a lid on there being multiple conversations at once and it's hard to get those conversations to come to a conclusion. Today I was leading the session and I had to both keep things moving along and make sure I was understanding the, sometimes, multiple conversations. And I guess I was answering people's questions before they could finish asking them. But I wish they'd just said something at the time, I wouldn't have cared if somebody was like, "Hush, Lisa, I need to finish my sentence" but I was really upset because the way he brought it up after made me feel like it was a HUGE character flaw that everyone has been bothered by for a long time and that I'd been acting like an oblivious asshole for months and getting in the way of work getting done and pissing off the client (he specifically mentioned me stepping on the lines of our business owner).

Thanks for letting me complain about this here, you guys, I couldn't really type it all out earlier on my phone and CLEARLY it's still bugging me. Even though my boss was very cool about it all right away and checked in on me at the end of the day.


JZ - Jun 14, 2012 2:40:21 pm PDT #9696 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Tear them down and put in a roundabout?

Roundabouts make the baby American Jesus cry!


Steph L. - Jun 14, 2012 2:43:26 pm PDT #9697 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

There was a roundabout by my brother's second apartment in Vermont. It was at that point that I knew Vermont was...different.


billytea - Jun 14, 2012 2:44:12 pm PDT #9698 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Roundabouts make the baby American Jesus cry!

The baby American Jesus can drink whisky from the cat bowl for all I care.


Lee - Jun 14, 2012 2:45:56 pm PDT #9699 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

The baby American Jesus can drink whisky from the cat bowl for all I care.

Is it wrong that I want to add "and film it and show it every year at Christmas" to that sentence?


Ginger - Jun 14, 2012 2:50:21 pm PDT #9700 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Atlantans do four-way stops badly. They do our few roundabouts badly. The also believe that when a stoplight is out or flashing red, the law of the jungle applies.


Laura - Jun 14, 2012 2:50:31 pm PDT #9701 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

We have many round abouts in our daily commutes. The Jetta has racing suspension so DH just can't resist zooming around an extra time or two for fun when he drives that car. Which is not often since it is Bobby's now. I haven't caught Bobby doing so, yet.


sarameg - Jun 14, 2012 2:52:11 pm PDT #9702 of 30001

lisah, try going with a really tight agenda you send out beforehand. And then you can be the asshole by cutting people off to force people to stick to the agenda! But asshole with an agenda!

I swear, I AM that person in a meeting. I wouldn't call me an asshole. Just really strict in guiding the discussion. Given some of the people I work with would happily go off on a hour long tangent turned rant turned 4 hours later, someone has to do it. Am I accused of being abrupt? Yes, but by god, meetings I run rampant over get to the point. And I'm not mean, unless you count friendly but professional but strict MEAN.

Now a brainstorming session...well, I still will cut people off if it gets too far afield.

So basically I'm saying, examine your motives and the effectiveness of your style, and see what is working and what isn't. If someone's feelings are hurt because you cut off their brilliantly crafted musings, but the point is still made and you just saved your team the 11th iteration of the same thought? Just tack on a "bless your heart" as you overtalk them.

But then, I just recently got in an argument in a meeting with my boss, so maybe we're all an abrasive, abrupt bunch with thick skins....


billytea - Jun 14, 2012 2:55:12 pm PDT #9703 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Atlantans do four-way stops badly. They do our few roundabouts badly. The also believe that when a stoplight is out or flashing red, the law of the jungle applies.

It does apply! And the law of the jungle is that if there's a red flashing light, you can be sure that its owner either wants to devour you or have sex with you. Approach intersection with care!