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Jessica - Jun 11, 2012 8:59:03 am PDT #9215 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Basically, most modern Paleo folks are looking for foods that they already like that are on the Paleo-Approved list.

This is my beef (SEE WHAT I DID THERE) with the whole Paleo concept. Not the general notion of "foods that are less processed are better for you than Wonder Bread" but that it tends to come out in practice as "steak and eggs for breakfast every morning, rawr, I'm a HUNTER!"

I mean, I doubt many people on a modern "paleo" diet are spending the winter months living off of beef jerky and acorns.


Kat - Jun 11, 2012 9:02:50 am PDT #9216 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

mean, I doubt many people on a modern "paleo" diet are spending the winter months living off of beef jerky and acorns.

I would totally love to live off beef jerky and nuts (not acorns cause they taste like ass and have to be processed, ironically, in some way to be palatable).

In other news, we are moving in 11 days and I have to pack up and move my classroom in 6 days. I feel sick.


Zenkitty - Jun 11, 2012 9:03:50 am PDT #9217 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I'm not really on board with Paleo being into eggs, though, since an easy supply of eggs is a result of domesticated fowl, and they wouldn't have been available year-round in quantity in the real Paleolithic.

This is part of the argument I hear a lot. Personally, I'm into eating eggs because they have a lot of protein and a lot of nutrients. H/Gs eat eggs whenever they can get them, and they can get them, just not in the abundance we can. But that argument is true for ANY food - modern first-world humans have a larger and easier supply of all foods than our ancestors did. There's a similar argument over honey, and milk. H/Gs couldn't get honey very easily at all, and they don't drink milk because they don't have domesticated animals. OTOH, there are tribes like the Masai who are non-nomadic herders, who eat virtually nothing but the meat, milk, and blood of their livestock (and are overall incredibly healthy). As soon as humans domesticate animals and have access to milk, they start drinking it. (Except for areas of rural China where they think it's gross. There's always an exception.)

Basically, I think humans will eat, drink, smoke, and fuck anything. It may or may not be good for us. The sole fact that our distant ancestors probably did or did not do it is not reason enough for us to do or not do it. Humans have been consuming domesticated grains for thousands of years, and many (most?) of us have adapted to that food supply that we didn't evolve with. Some of us haven't. The fact that Jesus ate bread doesn't mean I should.


§ ita § - Jun 11, 2012 9:05:44 am PDT #9218 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Many of those links say he's green.

Nope.


Amy - Jun 11, 2012 9:06:15 am PDT #9219 of 30001
Because books.

Humans have been consuming domesticated grains for thousands of years, and many (most?) of us have adapted to that food supply that we didn't evolve with.

Exactly. That's why the appendix is obsolete, for one. It was used primarily to digest raw (or rawer) meat, I think.


Zenkitty - Jun 11, 2012 9:09:32 am PDT #9220 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

But you don't get insulin from food -- your pancreas manufactures it to use glucose properly.

Well, yes, but insulin spikes in response to consuming carbohydrates, so a "sugar hit" is also going to be an "insulin hit". (There's evidence that insulin spikes in response to a sweet taste, even if that taste doesn't come with any calories. Which if true could be real problematic for people trying to control their blood sugar by using artificial non-caloric sweeteners.)


tommyrot - Jun 11, 2012 9:10:36 am PDT #9221 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Nope.

Weird. I searched for "Is Spock's skin green" (no quotes) but my link is just "is spock". I tried again--same thing.


Zenkitty - Jun 11, 2012 9:11:20 am PDT #9222 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Exactly. That's why the appendix is obsolete, for one. It was used primarily to digest raw (or rawer) meat, I think.

I could be wrong, but I thought the appendix was the shrunken remains of the cecum or "second stomach", which is used by herbivores to help digest fibrous cellulose-containing plant matter. Since humans learned to process and cook our plant matter, we don't need it anymore.


Amy - Jun 11, 2012 9:14:39 am PDT #9223 of 30001
Because books.

I thought the appendix was the shrunken remains of the cecum or "second stomach", which is used by herbivores to help digest fibrous cellulose-containing plant matter.

Oh, maybe! I know we don't need it anymore, but that's about it.

I see what you mean about the insulin, but in someone who's not diabetic, it's a normal process, so I don't think it's a big deal. Even on the Paleo diet, you're going to get carbs/natural sugar from fruit.


Zenkitty - Jun 11, 2012 9:18:39 am PDT #9224 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

from my understanding as human beings we are considerably different from humans who lived in 1900, much less those who lived literally hand to mouth thousands of years ago. Why should we advocate the same approximate diet if our bodies differ so much?

How different we really are, physiologically, from our recent and our distant ancestors, is still a matter of huge debate. There have certainly been some adaptations, like the ability to digest milk and the ability to tolerate grains. Some folks insist that the best, healthiest diet is the diet your own ancestors ate - like, if you're Polynesian, you should be eating coconut and fish, and if you're Asian, you should be eating fish and seaweed and rice, and if you're European you should be eating, I dunno, turnips and borscht.