Hey! What a surprise! Hostile 17! Can I get you a drink, Hostile 17?

Xander ,'Dirty Girls'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Amy - Sep 01, 2012 4:11:08 pm PDT #20634 of 30001
Because books.

Poor Gracie. I hope she doesn't have to be in too long, Kat.

Momoa will certainly look the part as the leader of a pack of werewolves

Seriously?


Hil R. - Sep 01, 2012 4:11:14 pm PDT #20635 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Speaking of things with culture (as in diabetes doesn't have one, but Deaf certainly does)--are there detractors of SEE who feel its too much mainstreaming?

Probably some. The main objections I've heard is that that it's not a natural language. ASL developed over a few centuries as Deaf people used it, and changed the way a language usually does, but SEE was invented in the 1970s or so, and there's a set way that it's supposed to be done, and there are some things that end up not making too much sense to someone who uses ASL. Like, idiomatic uses of words like "make" or "break" -- make a bed, make someone do something, break up with some, break a promise -- all get the same "make" or "break" sign in SEE, because the general rule is one word = one sign. In ASL, each of those phrases would have different signs, because they have different meanings. It ends up looking kind of weird to an ASL user, since the sign for "make" is clearly meant to represent building something, and the sign for "break" is meant to represent breaking something like a stick, and those sorts of idiomatic uses can seem nonsensical.


Kat - Sep 01, 2012 4:31:50 pm PDT #20636 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

and those sorts of idiomatic uses can seem nonsensical.

Which is a odd kvetch because, idioms, by definition ARE nonsensical.


Pix - Sep 01, 2012 4:44:14 pm PDT #20637 of 30001
The status is NOT quo.

Kat, I'm so sorry you're going through this. Do you need anything? Can I help at all?


§ ita § - Sep 01, 2012 4:52:06 pm PDT #20638 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Be gentle with me, but would a reasonable possible subtext of "I don't see race when I look at you" be "You're not like the other black people"?

I'm not positing that it's the one and only way cheerful post-racialists are thinking, just that the latter doesn't contradict the former and just seems to fit some people...


aurelia - Sep 01, 2012 5:03:11 pm PDT #20639 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

It is possible.

It also sounds like a conversation in which it would be very easy to phrase things poorly.


Typo Boy - Sep 01, 2012 5:04:34 pm PDT #20640 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Be gentle with me, but would a reasonable possible subtext of "I don't see race when I look at you" be "You're not like the other black people"?

Yea.


Jesse - Sep 01, 2012 5:10:59 pm PDT #20641 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Oh yeah, totally.


Pix - Sep 01, 2012 5:12:16 pm PDT #20642 of 30001
The status is NOT quo.

It could also be an insecure and rather clueless person who is trying desperately to prove s/he isn't racist. People can be dumb.


Typo Boy - Sep 01, 2012 5:14:56 pm PDT #20643 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Anyone can say something they don't mean. But it remains the most reasonable interpretation pf the word. Other interpretations would depend upon context, and assume the person did not mean what they said.