Joyce: You don't think it's too obvious? I think I look like I have a cat on my head. Buffy: But a very well groomed cat. Joyce: Well that's a comfort.

'Bring On The Night'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

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Jessica - Jun 25, 2012 10:49:12 am PDT #11163 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

if I bought that cake I'd be making fun of my kid, but that woman claims she's affirming bonds.

I find it hard to believe she's not making at least a little bit of fun. I mean, it's a cake that says "I hate you" on it! That's hilarious!


Amy - Jun 25, 2012 10:52:09 am PDT #11164 of 30001
Because books.

I got it once I read her article -- I think her emphasis was to create a moment they could laugh about, and something to prove that no matter what they said to each in the heat of the moment, it wouldn't change the foundation of their relationship.

Sort of like telling a younger kid, "I don't like the way you behaved just now, but I'll always love you."


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2012 10:53:49 am PDT #11165 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

it's a cake that says "I hate you" on it! That's hilarious!

If you can think it's hilarious and I think it's oscillating between inexplicable and kind of embarrassing, I'm going to assume she could to totally serious.


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2012 10:54:40 am PDT #11166 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"I don't like the way you behaved just now, but I'll always love you."

I explicitly asked my parents not to do this. Like, only love me if I act right. If I stop acting right--stop loving me.

It was...a conversation.


Kate P. - Jun 25, 2012 10:56:15 am PDT #11167 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Amy, I read it the same way. I also liked the idea of commemorating the moment as a rite of passage. Most teenagers at least think they hate their parents at some point, even if they don't say it out loud, and I thought the cake was meant to say, "Hey, this is a normal part of growing up, and it doesn't actually mean we love each other any less."


Amy - Jun 25, 2012 10:56:34 am PDT #11168 of 30001
Because books.

If I stop acting right--stop loving me.

For definitions of what, drowning kittens? My kid has a pouty day or runs in the house and breaks something, I don't love them less even if I'm mad for a few minutes.

If we all love you unconditionally en masse, will your head explode?

ETA: Exactly, Kate. I mean, still not something I would probably do, but I had my first "I hate you" from Jake when he was five, so.


Sophia Brooks - Jun 25, 2012 11:00:03 am PDT #11169 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I, too, think it is hilarious! And I am thinking that the mom perhaps had a mom like mine, who has not forgiven me for saying that, or for not mourning our dog properly when I was 8, for example.


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2012 11:00:17 am PDT #11170 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I started from serial murder and worked my way back to more legal behaviours *I* don't like in anyone including myself.

I'm actually very attached to the idea of people liking me for, you know, reasons. Or, well, disliking me for reasons, I guess.


Amy - Jun 25, 2012 11:04:47 am PDT #11171 of 30001
Because books.

Parents and children are a little different, though. Most parents tend to love their kids no matter what, even when they don't like them much.


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2012 11:07:46 am PDT #11172 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Still not a fan, really. I think I'd rather be a worthless sack of shit whose mother hated her than one whose mother didn't. It's part of my world view.

Also, not breeding.