Niska: Mr. Reynolds? You died, Mr. Reynolds. Mal: Seemed like the thing to do.

'War Stories'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2012 10:39:36 am PDT #11159 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

She wasn't making fun! She was reaffirming bonds.


Kate P. - Jun 25, 2012 10:44:03 am PDT #11160 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Ha, I love the "I hate you!" cake, and I love her reasoning behind it too. Not every kid would take it the right way, but clearly her daughter did.

Rose got her first shots today, poor noodle. Man, those were hard cries to listen to. She's now been asleep for two and a half hours, though, so at least we've been able to relax a little afterwards.


Steph L. - Jun 25, 2012 10:46:47 am PDT #11161 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I am trying to wrap my head around parenthood that gives you food after you lash out at them, and I think it's basically not a Jamaica thing.

There is nothing about that interaction that I can comprehend. Zero.


Burrell - Jun 25, 2012 10:46:50 am PDT #11162 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I'm with ita, if I bought that cake I'd be making fun of my kid, but that woman claims she's affirming bonds.

I guess I wouldn't think a five year old would need affirmation that the relationship isn't ruined

The sad thing is, some people are broken. I do know at least one family where the mom never forgave her 5 yo for saying "I hate you" to her.

Hmm, maybe the cake was to reassure the mom, not the daughter...


Jessica - Jun 25, 2012 10:49:12 am PDT #11163 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

if I bought that cake I'd be making fun of my kid, but that woman claims she's affirming bonds.

I find it hard to believe she's not making at least a little bit of fun. I mean, it's a cake that says "I hate you" on it! That's hilarious!


Amy - Jun 25, 2012 10:52:09 am PDT #11164 of 30001
Because books.

I got it once I read her article -- I think her emphasis was to create a moment they could laugh about, and something to prove that no matter what they said to each in the heat of the moment, it wouldn't change the foundation of their relationship.

Sort of like telling a younger kid, "I don't like the way you behaved just now, but I'll always love you."


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2012 10:53:49 am PDT #11165 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

it's a cake that says "I hate you" on it! That's hilarious!

If you can think it's hilarious and I think it's oscillating between inexplicable and kind of embarrassing, I'm going to assume she could to totally serious.


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2012 10:54:40 am PDT #11166 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"I don't like the way you behaved just now, but I'll always love you."

I explicitly asked my parents not to do this. Like, only love me if I act right. If I stop acting right--stop loving me.

It was...a conversation.


Kate P. - Jun 25, 2012 10:56:15 am PDT #11167 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Amy, I read it the same way. I also liked the idea of commemorating the moment as a rite of passage. Most teenagers at least think they hate their parents at some point, even if they don't say it out loud, and I thought the cake was meant to say, "Hey, this is a normal part of growing up, and it doesn't actually mean we love each other any less."


Amy - Jun 25, 2012 10:56:34 am PDT #11168 of 30001
Because books.

If I stop acting right--stop loving me.

For definitions of what, drowning kittens? My kid has a pouty day or runs in the house and breaks something, I don't love them less even if I'm mad for a few minutes.

If we all love you unconditionally en masse, will your head explode?

ETA: Exactly, Kate. I mean, still not something I would probably do, but I had my first "I hate you" from Jake when he was five, so.