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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Nov 15, 2011 7:41:38 am PST #6775 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Is there some genetic thing that involves creativity that also causes depression/mental illness?

There's been a lot of conjecture and a fair amount of research on this. Can't remember any results, though.


sumi - Nov 15, 2011 7:45:48 am PST #6776 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Thank you, Sue.


§ ita § - Nov 15, 2011 7:45:49 am PST #6777 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Is there some genetic thing that involves creativity that also causes depression/mental illness?

I don't think there is, completely. I mean, you don't have to be depressed to be creative, and there's no assurance that being depressed makes for better output. And I do seem to remember reading that it was only a romantic association of the tormented artist.

I know when I get depressed, I'm completely blocked. I gave up drawing and photography when I busted my knee years ago, and it took me forever to get back into either of them. Since my mother got diagnosed, I haven't been able to write or draw a lick yet.


amych - Nov 15, 2011 7:48:37 am PST #6778 of 30001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Is there some genetic thing that involves creativity that also causes depression/mental illness?

Strong correlations at the very least, although I have no idea about the current state of genetic research. Kay Redfield Jamison is a good name to start with -- she's a Psychiatry prof at JHU, as well as the author of some solid books on mental illness for non-academic audiences, one of which is specifically on artistic/creative temperament and bipolar disorders.

edit: and she has damned little patience with "I'm so tortured! I must suffer for my art!" stuff, which is a blessing IMO.


tommyrot - Nov 15, 2011 7:51:20 am PST #6779 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Strong correlations at the very least,

That's what I had thought. But maybe the correlation is between "people who are prone to depression" and creativity. I mean, maybe if you're prone to depression you might still be less creative when actually experiencing depression.


Allyson - Nov 15, 2011 7:52:19 am PST #6780 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

And I do seem to remember reading that it was only a romantic association of the tormented artist.

I don't think it's romantic as it is just desperately trying to find some good out of it. I grasp at those straws, too. It's not rational, maybe.


Consuela - Nov 15, 2011 7:54:05 am PST #6781 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

But maybe the correlation is between "people who are prone to depression" and creativity. I mean, maybe if you're prone to depression you might still be less creative when actually experiencing depression.

Yeah. When I've been depressed, I haven't been very creative.


le nubian - Nov 15, 2011 7:55:49 am PST #6782 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I overslept this morning. Instead of getting up at 5:30, I awoke at 8:20.

I teach at 9.

Hijinks ensued.


JenP - Nov 15, 2011 7:57:23 am PST #6783 of 30001

Depression for me just sort of stops me on all levels. The Zoloft helped but I got all addle-brained. It started to scare me that my mind didn't work as sharply. Sadly, I am starting to notice that my mind is not working as sharply as it once did whether medicated or not, which sucks, because I used to rely on my memory being awesome, and now I have to retrain to write things down.


Allyson - Nov 15, 2011 7:59:29 am PST #6784 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I don't recall time when I am not experiencing depression. It's just a matter of degree. The cute malcontent I can be is a depressed girl who is healthy enough to have a sense of humor about how shitty she feels.