I mean, let's say you did kill us. Or didn't. There could be torture. Whatever. But somehow you found the goods. What would your cut be?

Mal ,'Out Of Gas'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Mar 22, 2012 5:31:13 pm PDT #27787 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Have a look at the Jezebel article and its comments. That's why they had to name it special, because there are noisy people stating explicitly that the "choice" to wear heels isn't a choice, it's a symbol of oppression, and we aren't free to make that decision, and there's no way to free the action from its legacy.

I'm going to go ahead and continue to ignore those people.


Zenkitty - Mar 22, 2012 5:32:38 pm PDT #27788 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

But there is a part of me that cringes and thinks it's horrific and that I am the biggest sellout to the patriarchy EVER.

Steph... I'm not as open about my sexuality as you are, and I value you for talking about it, so I just want to say, I guess, that I sympathize. The things I'm into, I can barely even discuss with myself, because I cringe at what it must mean about me.

I'm determined to avoid discussion of controversial topics now, because I'm tired of getting yelled at by the righteous. For a while I thought, I don't say what I want to say often enough, I censor myself too much. Now? Fuck it. Nobody needs to know what I think.


Zenkitty - Mar 22, 2012 5:34:09 pm PDT #27789 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

And, msbelle, I hope you and mac are all right tonight. I'm sorry this is so hard.


meara - Mar 22, 2012 5:35:17 pm PDT #27790 of 30001

Yeah, conveniently that hasn't been an issue for me, what with sleeping with women.


flea - Mar 22, 2012 5:43:10 pm PDT #27791 of 30001
information libertarian

that the "choice" to wear heels isn't a choice, it's a symbol of oppression, and we aren't free to make that decision, and there's no way to free the action from its legacy.

I actually agree with this. For what it's worth. I wouldn't tell you you can't wear heels, but I don't think that, given the cultural implications of teetery heels and women's helplessness and submissiveness and pain for beauty, it can be a truly free choice in our culture.

ETA: but my main take-away from the Jezebel commentators was the "la la I can run in my 5-inch heels, maybe because I used to do pointe in ballet!" people.


Steph L. - Mar 22, 2012 5:48:38 pm PDT #27792 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Steph... I'm not as open about my sexuality as you are, and I value you for talking about it, so I just want to say, I guess, that I sympathize. The things I'm into, I can barely even discuss with myself, because I cringe at what it must mean about me.

It took me years to admit it to another living soul, so I feel you. I pay a lot of lip service to self-actualization, but it's not so easy in practice.


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2012 5:50:14 pm PDT #27793 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

it can be a truly free choice in our culture

Do you think the same about other traditional artifacts of femininity like corsets and makeup and extravagant hairstyling, etc? Where do you draw the line? What do women have free choices regarding? How can I have a free choice to not wear heels if I don't have a free choice to wear them?


Ginger - Mar 22, 2012 5:52:10 pm PDT #27794 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Steph, actual victims of the patriarchy don't choose. Also, since Tim is wearing the heels, you can run away.


Steph L. - Mar 22, 2012 6:00:35 pm PDT #27795 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Also, since Tim is wearing the heels, you can run away.

He's still faster than me, even in heels. *Such* an overachiever.


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2012 6:05:00 pm PDT #27796 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Steph, feel free to act as if I never asked the question, but--how long between you realising that you were kinky and you acting on fulfilling that? That's such a huge step, and one many people can stick on...well, forever.