This is a time of celebration, so sit still and be quiet.

Snyder ,'Chosen'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Burrell - Mar 18, 2012 1:55:22 pm PDT #27138 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I miss Fanci-full conditioning rinse. They had the best color of pastel cotton candy pink!

I saw some Fanci-full the other day and had a total deja vu moment. Where was I? Oh it was an old costume/theatrical make up place. You know, the kind of place that carried Ben Nye make up and lots of wigs?


Burrell - Mar 18, 2012 1:56:30 pm PDT #27139 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Is there a Jewish-hair subclause?

Yes. See the above ref WRT the Jewfro.


le nubian - Mar 18, 2012 1:59:41 pm PDT #27140 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Allyson,

I think most style guides do not capitalize, but I always do. I am using White and Black like I would Asian American or African American, so if I capitalize those, then I see no reason to lower case White and Black.

I am not referring to a white car or a black pen, these are cultural, racialized groups that I never refer to as lower-case.

I'm not offended if people use them as lower-case, but I am hoping the capitalization catches on.


§ ita § - Mar 18, 2012 2:16:45 pm PDT #27141 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

if I capitalize those, then I see no reason to lower case White and Black.

See, I like to draw a distinction between nationalities (and ethnicities) and race, so if it refers to a country, I use caps. If it doesn't, I don't. The proper noun thing is just inherited. But I rarely say African or Asian American, and I wish I had a less regional (I swear, I though oriental was losing those connotations, when all that time it was losing/had lost the *humanity* instead) term for Asian, so it doesn't end up being the last one with geography and a capital letter.

So, len, I am your opponent to the bitter bitter end. LOWER CAPS FOR ALL.


Hil R. - Mar 18, 2012 2:40:36 pm PDT #27142 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I'm pretty dang privileged, and my answer is still a resounding NO. Is there a Jewish-hair subclause?

This is my question.

Gah. I have a lot more to say about this. Whole paragraphs. Can't make words right now, though. Just finished Mockingjay.


Hil R. - Mar 18, 2012 2:44:57 pm PDT #27143 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Me and my mom (and my dad's arm), 1984 or so. (link removed.) "Good hair" in white privilege checklists annoys me, since it's something that's been such a source of tension and stress and everything within my white family.


Strix - Mar 18, 2012 2:50:49 pm PDT #27144 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Sidebar germane to this convo: I was the reseach assistant for Dr. Noliwe Rooks in...96? who's now Associate Director forthe Center for African American Studies at Princeton, and wrote "Hair Raising: Beauty, Culture and African American Women" among other things.

I did a lot of research for her for "Ladies' Pages: African American Women's Magazines and the Culture That Made Them" 2004.

Fascinating summer. She was cool as hell to work for. I remember getting high with her one evening at her place, after bringing some articles over, and chatting race, privilege and art. It was, as they say, way cool. (She had the first porch I'd ever seen that had a ceiling fan, and that also made an impression.)


Amy - Mar 18, 2012 3:02:43 pm PDT #27145 of 30001
Because books.

Made a snickerdoodle cake with brown sugar icing for my mom's birthday dinner, and it was a huge hit and addictively yummy. Go me.

Are you reasonably sure that you can open a phonebook, pick a salon, and they will be able to cut your hair?

It sounds stupid, I know, and incredibly privileged, but whenever I've thought in the past about fostering a black child, especially a girl, one of my first thoughts was always, "Crap, I'll have no idea how to care for her hair." Which, you know, wouldn't stop me if we were seriously going to foster, but I always imagine this poor kid having to explain that her dumb foster mom is the reason her hair is all messed up.


§ ita § - Mar 18, 2012 3:12:05 pm PDT #27146 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"Good hair" in white privilege checklists annoys me, since it's something that's been such a source of tension and stress and everything within my white family.

Any privilege list isn't supposed to present a complete and irrefutable checklist of everything that's perfect in any privileged person's life. It's a guideline, and I suspect that amongst Americans/Canadians/etc the stats bear out that amount of grief your average black chick suffers with her hair from a very young age is greater than your average white chick, as well as that few white chicks have it worse than many black women.

It would be silly to take it off the list because not all white women love their hair, or because some white women have an absolutely miserable time of it. I know there's no way for me to understand what your hair experience was like growing up, but I was raised in a natural-hair-positive family, and I still underwent shitloads of grief. It can be pretty overwhelming.


Hil R. - Mar 18, 2012 3:20:09 pm PDT #27147 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Yeah, I get that. I think it's that, for pretty much everything that's on those lists, I can say either, "Yeah, that's something that I've benefited from," or "That issue hasn't affected me one way or the other, but I can see how it's benefited many white people." That's the only one that's something that's been something distinctly negative for me. I'm not saying it should be taken off the lists, just that it strikes me the wrong way.