I happen to be very biteable, pal. I'm moist and delicious.

Xander ,'Bring On The Night'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Amy - Mar 18, 2012 3:02:43 pm PDT #27145 of 30001
Because books.

Made a snickerdoodle cake with brown sugar icing for my mom's birthday dinner, and it was a huge hit and addictively yummy. Go me.

Are you reasonably sure that you can open a phonebook, pick a salon, and they will be able to cut your hair?

It sounds stupid, I know, and incredibly privileged, but whenever I've thought in the past about fostering a black child, especially a girl, one of my first thoughts was always, "Crap, I'll have no idea how to care for her hair." Which, you know, wouldn't stop me if we were seriously going to foster, but I always imagine this poor kid having to explain that her dumb foster mom is the reason her hair is all messed up.


§ ita § - Mar 18, 2012 3:12:05 pm PDT #27146 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"Good hair" in white privilege checklists annoys me, since it's something that's been such a source of tension and stress and everything within my white family.

Any privilege list isn't supposed to present a complete and irrefutable checklist of everything that's perfect in any privileged person's life. It's a guideline, and I suspect that amongst Americans/Canadians/etc the stats bear out that amount of grief your average black chick suffers with her hair from a very young age is greater than your average white chick, as well as that few white chicks have it worse than many black women.

It would be silly to take it off the list because not all white women love their hair, or because some white women have an absolutely miserable time of it. I know there's no way for me to understand what your hair experience was like growing up, but I was raised in a natural-hair-positive family, and I still underwent shitloads of grief. It can be pretty overwhelming.


Hil R. - Mar 18, 2012 3:20:09 pm PDT #27147 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Yeah, I get that. I think it's that, for pretty much everything that's on those lists, I can say either, "Yeah, that's something that I've benefited from," or "That issue hasn't affected me one way or the other, but I can see how it's benefited many white people." That's the only one that's something that's been something distinctly negative for me. I'm not saying it should be taken off the lists, just that it strikes me the wrong way.


Lee - Mar 18, 2012 3:22:36 pm PDT #27148 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I'm just happy I have hair.


§ ita § - Mar 18, 2012 3:23:32 pm PDT #27149 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's the only one that's something that's been something distinctly negative for me

Makes you fairly lucky, I'd think. Not all white people can say that.


Hil R. - Mar 18, 2012 3:30:52 pm PDT #27150 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I think I'm a little too post-Mockingjay flaily to be able to talk about something as emotionally charged as hair right now, so I'm backing out of this, at least for a little while.


sarameg - Mar 18, 2012 3:31:16 pm PDT #27151 of 30001

There's a wonderful piece on Snap Judgement on this topic: [link] (link to audio, but you have to hit play.) The politics and emotions that revolve around hair for black women are the subject of many a Y locker room conversations, not to mention some of the women at work. It really is just so much more complicated.


§ ita § - Mar 18, 2012 3:34:16 pm PDT #27152 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'll have to bookmark that to listen to later, sarameg. Thanks.


sarameg - Mar 18, 2012 3:36:24 pm PDT #27153 of 30001

It's a personal story, but it covers so much of what I hear.

eta: and damn, it makes me cry every time I hear it.


Jesse - Mar 18, 2012 3:45:11 pm PDT #27154 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I accidentally went to a black salon once, due to the very "open a phone book" thing -- it was closest to my work. Of course the cut was great, because they were used to cutting straight(ened) hair into a stacked bob, and she ALSO used many sizes of curling irons to bump out the short parts in the back.