Willow: Something evil-crashed to earth in this. Then it broke out and slithered away to do badness. Giles: Well, in all fairness, we don't really know about the "slithered" part. Anya: No, no, I'm sure it frisked about like a fluffy lamb.

'Never Leave Me'


Spike's Bitches 47: Someone Dangerous Could Get In  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


erikaj - Nov 16, 2011 8:24:30 am PST #2901 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!

I want one more shot. Because the last time I was somebody's girlfriend I was all apologetic and...insecure didn't cover it. I want to know what I could bring to relationship without that...it's like having to keep Hot Dog on A Stick on your job resume, otherwise.


Hil R. - Nov 16, 2011 8:41:22 am PST #2902 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

My plan for today was to teach for half the period and then give a quiz for the second half. After lecturing for five minutes, I realized I didn't have any more lung power for talking. So, they're getting lots of extra time on the quiz.


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2011 8:44:20 am PST #2903 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Being in a relationship should change you.

Why? Why more than anything else? I mean, life changes you. You change with time. What's so special about a relationship that it *has* to change you? Your behaviours may change, but why does your core have to change?


DavidS - Nov 16, 2011 8:50:14 am PST #2904 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Why? Why more than anything else?

I didn't say more. Though it probably will change you more because it's a more active engagement with somebody. Relationships require work, effort. Those things tend to change you.

Your behaviours may change, but why does your core have to change?

I'm not sure how anybody defines their core. But I'm certainly not the same person at my core as I was before I met Jacqueline. Why should your core be static and unchanging? Why wouldn't you want it to grow? Growth is change.


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2011 8:59:37 am PST #2905 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I get why it can change you. I don't get why it should change you.


-t - Nov 16, 2011 9:00:09 am PST #2906 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I think the important difference is between Scenario A where someone loves you and you change and Scenario B where someone would love you if only you changed. Whatever the change involves. A is fine, B is fucked up. In my opinion.


erikaj - Nov 16, 2011 9:05:09 am PST #2907 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!

I think so, too. But it's not like I know. My parents divorced, dad's in an epically unhappy second marriage, my grandma on the one side was happy for 8 sober years out of forty married to my grandpa, and on the other side? When she felt like leaving she got pregnant instead. When it comes to things like that, I'm like an inner-city child raised by television.


DavidS - Nov 16, 2011 9:05:43 am PST #2908 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I don't get why it should change you.

"Should" as in a likely occurrence: "it should rain today."

Not "should" as in a directive "you should move your car or it will be towed."


Strix - Nov 16, 2011 9:20:25 am PST #2909 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Like "nurturing" becomes "smothering".

Yeah...I KNOW I'm a micromanager, and that pings D because his ex s a control freak. I do NOT compromise my organizational side, but I DO stop and ask myself or him, "Am I getting too micromanagey with this?"

And at the beginning of out relationship, he was afraid of how I would react (based on past relationships) so would not be wholly honest, but now, he's all "Yeah, and it's starting to frustrate me." So...we both work on self-awareness and honesty.

I think a good relationship won't, as was stated, compromise the core of who you are (unless you WANT that core to be change and the relationship helps you do that), but all relationships, regardless of whether they are romantic, platonic or work, involve certain amounts of compromise on both parts to be truly workable.

I've changed because of my relationship with Dan. I haven't compromised my core, but I'm more patient, more thoughtful, more loving and expressive of that love to him, my family and friends.

But my self, my bitchy, geeky, snarky, assertive, control freaky-organizational, occasionally slobby, loves-to-sleep and hermit myself up in the office for hours self? Nope. I'm still me. Warts and all.


Toddson - Nov 16, 2011 9:48:41 am PST #2910 of 30001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

On a tangent, I once read a book where two young people meet, fall in love on a short acquaintance, are separated, and then meet a number of years later. They look at each other, realize they aren't the same people at all (having changed from their life experiences) and then fall in love all over again with the new person.

Fiction, of course.