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Spike's Bitches 47: Someone Dangerous Could Get In  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Shir - Sep 02, 2012 9:54:33 pm PDT #19680 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Hil, feel better.

Calli, ouch. Glad it's over.

erin - personally, that's a red light. Not only ignoring signs, but ignoring a request isn't just super irritating but also a bit worrisome. Some of my close family and friends has PTSD on some level, and it took me a while to understand when their behavior is due to it and when they're just being themselves and I can call them on that. If you'll choose dating him, I can tell you it's getting easier to tell what is what with time.

But I'm not sure if you're asking for advice or not, so I'll stop here.


le nubian - Sep 02, 2012 9:54:53 pm PDT #19681 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I think he knows you don't want him to text is taking advantage of your politeness.

I don't understand this concept. Can someone explain? How can he know and still take advantage? Isn't that rude?

Don't you think he was taught that assertiveness is best and he is following through on that?


erin_obscure - Sep 02, 2012 10:29:43 pm PDT #19682 of 30001
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

I think he's really friendly and maybe thinks girls really want daily phone contact? I've heard that impression from guys before. I am not one of those girls. I don't see it as mean spirited in any way, but Shir, I am pretty worried about the ptsd aspect. I have zero personal experience with people going through that, and I know just barely enough of him to know that he's going through really major stuff and I admit that I'm afraid to possibly aggravate that :(


erin_obscure - Sep 02, 2012 10:47:39 pm PDT #19683 of 30001
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

And since it took some thought, responding to....

What kind of shops would a character visit in Portland Oregon for Goth clothes, Goth craft jewelry and decor? skull candle holders, skull necklaces only something less cliched. (Suggestions as to what is less cliched are welcome.) Also the character loves Chinese food. What is a really good Chinese restaurant in Portland? Not overly Americanized. If it is near Powells that is a plus.

Clothing: aside from the usual Goodwill thrift stores, there's:

  • Another State of Mind. Downtown near Voodoo donuts (clothing, jewelry, piercing, decor, everything else including occasional rounds of specialty roast coffee supporting the Lone Fir Cemetary)
  • Metro on SE Hawthorne (same, minus awesome coffe sold under the counter.)
The Hawthorne area is also chock full of upscale consignment stores catering to the hipster and punk thrifty fashionistas (e.g. Red Light, Buffalo Exchange, and any number of little boutiques that come and go).
  • Alteration Nation on SE Hathorne was my first thought (shared space with Corrosion records and sold tickets to the annual Vampire Ball) but they seem to have closed...my websearch to make sure they were still open took me to an "Altered Nation" advertising clothing and piercing which sounds promising but i've never been there in person to vet. My inclination is that most goths now do a LOT of clothing shopping online, but those are the brick and mortar shops.

Chinese food more difficult, not something I seek out. Relatively close to Powell's is Chinatown (area of inner NW marked by the bright red lamp posts), that seems like a good place to start for authentic, non Americanized options, seems like there's multiple places on every block, yelp might have good reviews/recommendation. Plus Chinatown almost guarantees a nice soupcon of transients shooting up outside.


Shir - Sep 02, 2012 10:56:55 pm PDT #19684 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

erin, as suggested here, clear boundaries are your friends. You might want to be more blunt than usual, because boundaries are important in any case, but they're a bit more crucial when it comes to people who are operating under some kind of vagueness - may it be personal or mental one. Sometimes it's not about being blunt as making it as simple as possible to the other person.

Second, I wish I could recommend on any reading, but I can't. All I know comes from my own experiences, and experiences varies. Maybe you can ask a professional about it, but if you don't know PTSD, reading about it before might help. For one, I don't think it's that different from a relationship with someone with depression, bi-polarity or a physical illness. In the end, it's about knowing the person from the illness/situation, and accepting both. Flexibility and a sense of humor help.

And last, the golden rule. You can and should take responsibility for your own actions and words, but you can't take responsibility on the way others interpret them. Especially if you were very clear about your boundaries. (Maybe I'm just reflecting here, but that's a lesson I need a constant reminder of).

(Well, actually, under "last" I really want to write this: I don't care how many issues he's dealing it, trust me - if he'll hurt you in any way I will search and destroy, PTSD or not).


erin_obscure - Sep 02, 2012 10:58:40 pm PDT #19685 of 30001
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

{loves Shir and all board members}


Shir - Sep 03, 2012 12:12:03 am PDT #19686 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Love you too, hon.


erin_obscure - Sep 03, 2012 12:52:14 am PDT #19687 of 30001
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

OH FFS, i'm at work and there was just another pursuit/perimeter/k9 track ending in my front yard. Ok, actually, my neighbor's front yard, but still. I don't know if it's better or worse that I'm here to see all the updates and know what's going on....


Typo Boy - Sep 03, 2012 3:56:13 am PDT #19688 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

How can he know and still take advantage? Isn't that rude?

Yes he is being rude. Deliberately walking over boundaries to see if will be tolerated. If it is tolerated he will cross more boundaries. That is why I advocate pushing back harder. Otherwise good chance he will escalate. Women are brought up to be more reluctant to be rude than men are, especially women are taught to be polite even to people who are being rude to them. Some people, mostly but not only men, take advantage of this.


Zenkitty - Sep 03, 2012 4:25:02 am PDT #19689 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I agree with what Typo said. He's probably lonely and looking for someone to ease his pain, but if you don't want to be that person, you'd best say so flat out, and he ought to respect it and back off.