This girl at school? She told me that gelatin is made from ground-up cow's feet and that every time you eat Jell-O there's some cow out there limping around without any feet. But I told her that I'm sure the cow is dead before they cut its feet off, right?

Dawn ,'Never Leave Me'


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beekaytee - Oct 13, 2011 8:33:29 am PDT #685 of 1416
Compassionately intolerant

Even pick a dog from the audience and do a demonstration.

Inntterrresting. I could totally do a "kreskin' with an audience member.

I am going to do a raffle for email addresses...a free session.

How awful about Frankie getting bitten. Is he doing okay? Actually, I know the answer to that. How are YOU doing with it? Can you forgive and forget?


Typo Boy - Oct 13, 2011 8:48:25 am PDT #686 of 1416
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I guess the reason I asked about magazine, is that laying out the graphics and text in my second book is a lot like that. Another comparison is children's books. I hope to have the package ready to get quotes on in a matter of weeks now.


Ginger - Oct 13, 2011 8:49:57 am PDT #687 of 1416
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Per page, laying out a newsletter isn't particularly different from laying out a magazine.


smonster - Oct 13, 2011 8:53:47 am PDT #688 of 1416
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

bonny, I'm telling all my dog owner friends because apparently this is not the first time this dog has attacked another, and I don't want anyone else to get hurt. I'd really like the owner to pay for my vet bills, but am absolutely not counting on it. Otherwise, pretty much over it. Sucks that some people are irresponsible dog owners.

/natter


Typo Boy - Oct 13, 2011 8:55:22 am PDT #689 of 1416
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

So newsletter prices will give ma a fair idea? Because book layout prices are cheaper, but if the amount of work is comparable to a newsletter rather than a typical book, then it seems like that is the range I should expect to be charged in. I mean labor is what a contractor sells.

Aren't most newsletters black & white? Does color make a difference?


Ginger - Oct 13, 2011 9:03:43 am PDT #690 of 1416
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Does color make a difference?

These days, not much. The more pages something has, the less per page it should be, because the thing that takes the most time is coming up with the basic concept.

Do you know how it's going to be printed and do you also want to offer an e-book?


Steph L. - Oct 13, 2011 9:06:55 am PDT #691 of 1416
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Aren't most newsletters black & white?

Probably not, since color printing is pretty ubiquitous.

Does color make a difference?

In printing costs, yes.


Toddson - Oct 13, 2011 10:20:51 am PDT #692 of 1416
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

heh ... I once spent a good deal of time explaining to someone that two-color printing did not mean two colors AND black, that if they wanted black it counted as a color.


Typo Boy - Oct 13, 2011 10:47:25 am PDT #693 of 1416
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

In printing costs, yes

Don't I know it. It took me a lot of research to find where to get color perfect bound books at a decent price. Actually two places. One that does on demand digital printing for runs from 25 - 500, and another where you can offset color reasonably in quantities of a 1,000 on up. (They do lower quantities too, but as you would expect, offset is more expensive than digital for short runs.) I don't expect to ever print this is anything but digital, but one cause of business failure is lack of contingency planning for how to handle unexpectedly large demand.

But it is news to me that there is no difference in layout costs between B&W and full color. Though now that I think about it, it makes sense. Same challenges. B&W still needs sizing, cropping, editing for stuff like contrast. Placement and drawing the eye where it is wanted is just as important as with color.


Steph L. - Oct 13, 2011 10:56:11 am PDT #694 of 1416
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

But it is news to me that there is no difference in layout costs between B&W and full color.

But layout is just layout. All layout really is, when you come down to it, is moving stuff around on a page. It doesn't matter if that stuff is 4C or B/W.