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Steph L. - Oct 13, 2011 9:06:55 am PDT #691 of 1416
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Aren't most newsletters black & white?

Probably not, since color printing is pretty ubiquitous.

Does color make a difference?

In printing costs, yes.


Toddson - Oct 13, 2011 10:20:51 am PDT #692 of 1416
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

heh ... I once spent a good deal of time explaining to someone that two-color printing did not mean two colors AND black, that if they wanted black it counted as a color.


Typo Boy - Oct 13, 2011 10:47:25 am PDT #693 of 1416
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

In printing costs, yes

Don't I know it. It took me a lot of research to find where to get color perfect bound books at a decent price. Actually two places. One that does on demand digital printing for runs from 25 - 500, and another where you can offset color reasonably in quantities of a 1,000 on up. (They do lower quantities too, but as you would expect, offset is more expensive than digital for short runs.) I don't expect to ever print this is anything but digital, but one cause of business failure is lack of contingency planning for how to handle unexpectedly large demand.

But it is news to me that there is no difference in layout costs between B&W and full color. Though now that I think about it, it makes sense. Same challenges. B&W still needs sizing, cropping, editing for stuff like contrast. Placement and drawing the eye where it is wanted is just as important as with color.


Steph L. - Oct 13, 2011 10:56:11 am PDT #694 of 1416
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

But it is news to me that there is no difference in layout costs between B&W and full color.

But layout is just layout. All layout really is, when you come down to it, is moving stuff around on a page. It doesn't matter if that stuff is 4C or B/W.


Typo Boy - Oct 13, 2011 11:35:09 am PDT #695 of 1416
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah, now that it is pointed out it makes sense. But to someone not in the field, it was not intuitive until pointed out. It is not complicated, but also something that someone who is not an expert in the field can easily overlook. That is one of things about being an professional in the field. It is not just that you know obscure stuff, though you do. It is also that you know the field well enough not to overlook the obvious. Someone who is just trying to grasp a bunch of new stuff all at once can easily miss all sorts of obvious things. Which is another reason to hire a professional like you.


Ginger - Oct 13, 2011 1:47:31 pm PDT #696 of 1416
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Years ago, it made more difference, because if you used the process colors to make things like headings, lines and boxes different colors, you had to supply separations and making four-color plates was a skilled job done by an actual person who spent most of his working life in the dark. Now a lot of that is done automagically by software.

Signed,

Has Proofed Lead Type Reading Backwards


amych - Oct 13, 2011 5:03:21 pm PDT #697 of 1416
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

ohgodseparations


Ginger - Oct 13, 2011 5:20:28 pm PDT #698 of 1416
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Isn't technology wonderful?


amych - Oct 13, 2011 5:41:53 pm PDT #699 of 1416
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I love the thing where someone comes out with a big nostalgic blog post and/or evil experiment of teaching the childrens about how journalism used to be done back in the days of typewriters and lightboxes [link] , and everyone who ever did it gets all "OMG that takes me back" for about 10 seconds before someone says "... yeah, and it really sucked."

(I'll also note that I only did real old-skool layout in HS, and then did the weird in-between phase in college where we had computers for typesetting columns which we then still had to cut out and paste up. IOW, I inhaled just enough rubber cement for nostalgia and bitching at the kids who have never worked in print at all, and not remotely enough for cred.)


beekaytee - Oct 13, 2011 5:44:25 pm PDT #700 of 1416
Compassionately intolerant

I love the thing where someone comes out with a big nostalgic blog post and/or evil experiment of teaching the childrens about how journalism used to be done back in the days of typewriters and lightboxes, and everyone who ever did it gets all "OMG that takes me back" for about 10 seconds before someone says "... yeah, and it really sucked."

Add waxers and border tape to that and you would be talking about me.

Sheesh. Glad those days are gone.

eta: OH, and rub on type. Lord, we thought we were so kewl.