I have never bought that tie thing, because if men hated ties that much, they'd loosen them or take them off when they get their cars to drive home. Very few do. I have checked this rather obsessively.
Gunn: We open a can of Machiavelli on his ass. Harmony: It's Matchabelli, Einstein, and it doesn't come in a can.
'Soul Purpose'
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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Ginger - May 12, 2011 2:21:31 pm PDT #8013 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
§ ita § - May 12, 2011 2:23:08 pm PDT #8014 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
if men hated ties that much, they'd loosen them or take them off when they get their cars to drive home
What's the motivation for lying?
Amy - May 12, 2011 2:23:20 pm PDT #8015 of 30001
Because books.
if men hated ties that much, they'd loosen them or take them off when they get their cars to drive home. Very few do.
I think that's also laziness, though. And where to put it, etc.
S. used to come home, when he worked a suit-and-tie job, and practically strip in the living room.
Jesse - May 12, 2011 2:25:15 pm PDT #8016 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
My White House intern roommate would basically strip on his way home from work. But that was because he was hot. Also, hot. Good times.
megan walker - May 12, 2011 2:26:20 pm PDT #8017 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
I change the minute I get in the door.
Jesse - May 12, 2011 2:28:07 pm PDT #8018 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
I do, too, but that's mostly the cat.
hippocampus - May 12, 2011 2:33:40 pm PDT #8019 of 30001
not your mom's socks.
Excellent news Consuela. About the interview. Not the tie-guy.
Steph L. - May 12, 2011 2:36:38 pm PDT #8020 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
gender performativity is enforced by a cabal of old white guys
Man, it's enforced by *everybody.* That's the deal. I don't think I know anyone at all who doesn't enforce it in some way, consciously or not.
t edit Not that that's a *good* thing. I'm just saying, it's goddamn pervasive as hell.
Consuela - May 12, 2011 2:38:30 pm PDT #8021 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
I do, too, but that's mostly the cat.
German Shepherd hair gets into everything, so yeah, I change out of work clothes when I get home, too.
I suspect that, like everything else, men's response to ties varies: some don't mind it. The point the guy was making was that men were forced to wear clothes they don't like, too, therefore the Patriarchy doesn't exist.
I don't think it occurs to any of these guys that the Patriarchy (inasmuch as the social power of 2000 years of cultural history can be called "the Patriarchy") actually hurts men, too. Maybe some of those baseball players would rather have danced, you know? But they would have been teased, so they didn't.
Consuela - May 12, 2011 2:41:35 pm PDT #8022 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Man, it's enforced by *everybody.* That's the deal.
Yeah. I'm far more aware of the performative nature of femininity than I was when I was younger, and for me that makes me more comfortable doing it, rather than less. But I still find myself reacting sometimes in ways that I really shouldn't. (Like rolling my eyes at the clothes I will see someone wearing on the bus.)