Angel: Eve. So, I guess we should, I don't know, talk? Eve: About what? Angel: About what happened back there with us. Eve: Angel, it's not like this is the first time I've had sex under a mystical influence. I went to U.C. Santa Cruz.

'Life of the Party'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Consuela - May 12, 2011 2:38:30 pm PDT #8021 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I do, too, but that's mostly the cat.

German Shepherd hair gets into everything, so yeah, I change out of work clothes when I get home, too.

I suspect that, like everything else, men's response to ties varies: some don't mind it. The point the guy was making was that men were forced to wear clothes they don't like, too, therefore the Patriarchy doesn't exist.

I don't think it occurs to any of these guys that the Patriarchy (inasmuch as the social power of 2000 years of cultural history can be called "the Patriarchy") actually hurts men, too. Maybe some of those baseball players would rather have danced, you know? But they would have been teased, so they didn't.


Consuela - May 12, 2011 2:41:35 pm PDT #8022 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Man, it's enforced by *everybody.* That's the deal.

Yeah. I'm far more aware of the performative nature of femininity than I was when I was younger, and for me that makes me more comfortable doing it, rather than less. But I still find myself reacting sometimes in ways that I really shouldn't. (Like rolling my eyes at the clothes I will see someone wearing on the bus.)


Matt the Bruins fan - May 12, 2011 2:51:30 pm PDT #8023 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I have never bought that tie thing, because if men hated ties that much, they'd loosen them or take them off when they get their cars to drive home.

I hate them so much I almost never wear a tie voluntarily. At weddings and funerals there's enough pressure from tradition that I'll knuckle under, but I don't think I've even worn them to business conferences.

ETA: Bleargh, I discovered that not only did several of the hamburger buns I have on hand go moldy, but there was some little white wormy thing attached to one of the spinach leaves I'd put on a sandwich. Not cool, grocery store!


tommyrot - May 12, 2011 2:52:58 pm PDT #8024 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I hated wearing ties. I was always afraid of getting my tie caught in something or getting it wet at the bubbler or getting food on it....

Although a tie-clip helped a lot.

eta: When I was younger, I used to envy women for the great variety of clothes they could wear.


Steph L. - May 12, 2011 2:58:12 pm PDT #8025 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Man, it's enforced by *everybody.* That's the deal.

Yeah. I'm far more aware of the performative nature of femininity than I was when I was younger, and for me that makes me more comfortable doing it, rather than less.

I find myself in a really weird place, where I really have a problem with enforced gender performativity, but then we have a lot of trans* friends. And, frankly, trans* folks, particularly MtF, enforce the SHIT out of gender performativity. I don't know any MtF trans women who don't wear dresses, stockings, heels, makeup, jewelry -- the whole 9 yards.

And I get why they wear what they wear. But the enforced gender performativity slams right up against my feminism. And that's really hard for me, because I try really hard to not be a shitty trans* ally, but objecting to the enforced gender performativity feels awfully transphobic to me.

I can't work that one out in my head, yet.


sarameg - May 12, 2011 3:00:24 pm PDT #8026 of 30001

I do, too, but that's mostly the cat.

Ayup. My coworkers think I never dress down. My neighbors probably think I never dress up.

Performance review today. It went well. All that busting my ass during all the fucking emergencies we had this winter was really appreciated. As was my patience and persistence with some of the teams I had to work with. Now if only the economy didn't mean that raises will be slight.


Atropa - May 12, 2011 3:08:59 pm PDT #8027 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Ayup. My coworkers think I never dress down. My neighbors probably think I never dress up.

Heh. My neighbors have seen me in my at-home uniform of bloomers and concert shirts, but still express surprise when they see me like that at the mailbox.


Allyson - May 12, 2011 3:19:04 pm PDT #8028 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Is anyone coming to JPL's Open House this weekend? We have neat stuff and rovers and it's free! Oh and I will be volunteering and telling people where the bathroom is and that climate change is not a hoax, I think. If they ask. Mostly they just want to know where the bathroom is.


tommyrot - May 12, 2011 3:26:29 pm PDT #8029 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Allyson, have you seen this? Do Climate Skeptics Change Their Minds?

Until a few months ago, you'd be hard-pressed to find a more classic climate skeptic than D.R. Tucker. A conservative author and radio talk show host, he didn't buy the notion that greenhouse-gas emissions were causing temperatures to rise. He was pretty sure global warming was a hoax perpetrated by Al Gore and a cadre of liberal, grant-hungry scientists. Then Tucker did what partisan pundits and climate skeptics rarely do: He changed his mind.

"I was defeated by facts," Tucker announced on FrumForum, the popular conservative blog. In an April 18 post, "Confessions of a Climate Convert," Tucker told readers how he came to question the ideologies of the climate debate, examine the science, and conclude that global warming was, in fact, very real. Tucker's post sent a giddy ripple through green circles and stoked the ire of his libertarian colleagues.

Apparently this sort of "conversion" is rare.


sarameg - May 12, 2011 3:27:53 pm PDT #8030 of 30001

Please tell me you'll send them somewhere interesting if they still believe climate change is a hoax AND want to know where the bathroom is. Preferably where they'll experience a climate change in their pants.