Now I want to find shibari classes, but with none of that icky sex stuff.

I don't know about LA, but here in my fair conservative city, there's a rope group that meets once a month where it's just a demo/educational thing. One guy who has years of experience with shibari leads it, and the topic changes every month, like chest harnesses, or suspension, or whatever. He'll explain/demo it, and then the attendees can practice it. But people have to stay clothed, and there's definitely no icky sex stuff.

To be clear, I was just being facetious about "icky sex stuff." Personally, I think sex is quite cool.

A quick google of shibari and Los Angeles shows erotic stuff as far as I can tell. But I will keep an eye open.

I went rummaging around in my boxes of wine (uh, that's boxes with bottles in them, not stacks of boxed wine) looking for something to go with tonight's dinner. I seem to be out of Sauvignon Blanc, which is what I was looking for, but I did find a 2003 Zinfandel Port that had been opened probably 4+years ago and sealed with a Vacuvin. So I brought it in to try a tiny glass. It's pretty darn good!

In short, Vacuvin works.

Whatever, ita, we know you're anti sex.

Speaking of which, on the Fleshbot Porn for Straight Girls thing, I think a lot of mainstream straight porn is really unappealing, but not all of it, so a pointer to the stuff that's more interesting for women would be something I could get behind. In theory.

Parent types, especially Jessica, have you all read Nutureshock?

No, but it's been on my TBR list forEVER. (I'm pretty sure I took it out from the library once and then returned it unread.)

Do you read Ask Moxie? For a while she was leading discussions on it one chapter at a time.

To be clear, I was just being facetious about "icky sex stuff." Personally, I think sex is quite cool.

I figured. (Although I am not at all into sex in public spaces [inasmuch as a kink party falls into my definition of "public space"]. AT ALL. I mean, I won't pretend that what we do isn't about sexytimes, but I'm really reserved when it comes right down to it, and there's only so much I'm comfortable doing around other people, or seeing other people doing [which -- the "seeing other people doing," and my boundaries thereto -- has caused some friction when I wasn't interested in watching other people doing stuff (seriously -- some people were all, "Why are you so unfriendly?" and all I could do was just boggle at them in response; not wanting to witness your naked sexytimes does NOT make me unfriendly; it means I like my boundaries large and clothed)].)

(I am in awe of my nested parentheticals, above.)

a pointer to the stuff that's more interesting for women would be something I could get behind

Do you think that the stuff usually featured on fleshbot is uninteresting to women and that the porn in these features is more interesting? I honestly can't tell the difference.

I get that the porn that the internet's made for is not me, but fleshbot...well, I'm not going to say that they're special or anything. Just that they're already vetting porn.

I also guess I don't know what chick porn is. I mean, what is "good" porn, but porn that women don't like?

serial:

"Why are you so unfriendly?"

Honestly, I'm continually surprised by how much a subculture can reinforce itself and change people's perceptions of normalcy. Seriously. Just because you (and others) are thinking it's hot doesn't mean it's au fait for everyone else. Even everyone else in the room.

Do you think that the stuff usually featured on fleshbot is uninteresting to women and that the porn in these features is more interesting? I honestly can't tell the difference.

Yeah, I don't know. I haven't done that much analysis of what they have there.

I mean, what is "good" porn, but porn that women don't like?

I couldn't describe it, but I bet I could know it when I see it.

Can we talk more abou Raylan's sex habits? I want to hear more about Typo's theory