This girl at school? She told me that gelatin is made from ground-up cow's feet and that every time you eat Jell-O there's some cow out there limping around without any feet. But I told her that I'm sure the cow is dead before they cut its feet off, right?

Dawn ,'Never Leave Me'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Allyson - Apr 15, 2011 1:43:53 pm PDT #3471 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Here's his response, Strega: [link]

When the Million Dollar Challenge was offered at the American Atheists meeting, it deeply offended some feminists, as can be seen from the article cited, and by the comments that follow. Why? Isn't the sex difference in availability simply a fact, demonstrated by experiment and dramatised as folk wisdom by the Million Dollar Challenge? Why does the recounting of a fact give offence, if it is true? Part of the reason seems to be the old fallacy that if something is 'biological' it is inescapable and can be used to justify bad behaviour. Needless to say, that is nonsense. Paradoxically, one objection to the Million Dollar Challenge is precisely that it doesn't tell us anything we didn't know already.

Yes, Richard. It's biological. There is no cultural issues here, at all. And the women writing to object are called, "hysterical twaddle."

When the organizer of the conference/Director of the Alabama chapter of American Atheists was asked, "What was the point of the million dollar challenge?"

He responded (copypasta):

The point was to show that women hold the power over men.

So I think I may have conflated what Dawkins thinks the point is with what the organizer thinks the point is. But given Dawkins' boneheaded response, I don't think so.


Strega - Apr 15, 2011 1:44:39 pm PDT #3472 of 30001

Plus he totally fell in love with his wife for her spicy brains.

One of my favorite Lawrence Miles lines:

Religious extremists are people who plant bombs in family planning clinics and fly aeroplanes into heavily-occupied buildings. Evolutionary extremists are people who write overly smug blog entries and shag Lalla Ward.


P.M. Marc - Apr 15, 2011 1:44:51 pm PDT #3473 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

The Guardian How We Met piece on Dawkins and Ward from 1994 [link]


Zenkitty - Apr 15, 2011 1:46:46 pm PDT #3474 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Why does it bother you now?

Mainly the "Bright" thing. Also

his fairly-typical 70 year old highly science educated white guy's cringe-worthy foot-in-mouth gender statements

I just think he's kind of an ass, and I don't want to be automatically associated with him. But I guess eventually someone was going to take the helm of the atheist flagship, and it seems likely that a person so inclined might be kind of an ass, so whatever. I'm not saying he's not brilliant and hilarious.


§ ita § - Apr 15, 2011 1:47:52 pm PDT #3475 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If you're trying to find a movement with no asses, your search will be long and fruitless.

Good god, why isn't this status report writing itself?


Allyson - Apr 15, 2011 1:52:44 pm PDT #3476 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I'm not trying to find an assless movement, ita.

I think that psychologically, it's somehow easier for me to deal with clueless sexism than it is for me to deal with carefully thought-out justifications for sexism wrapped in just-so stories that seem to make the ass feel as though his privilege is somehow...earned?


§ ita § - Apr 15, 2011 1:56:51 pm PDT #3477 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That was for Zenkitty, who didn't want to be associated with a movement with Dawkins in it. I don't know how you find a movement where everyone passes muster. It would say a lot about people. We probably wouldn't need movements.


Zenkitty - Apr 15, 2011 1:58:33 pm PDT #3478 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I wasn't looking for a movement at all.


zuisa - Apr 15, 2011 2:03:14 pm PDT #3479 of 30001
call me jacki; zuisa is an internet nick from ancient times =)

Timelies, all. I'm in Sydney today - we are finishing our 42 day Asia cruise, and it is going to be WEIRD today to have other people on the ship. 42 days is a long time, it felt like we were all friends!!

Plus my roommate/ship best friend goes home today as well, and I am NOT holding it together too well. This being my first contract I'm not yet used to people just leaving all the time. There may have been lots of tears at the crew bar last night. I felt like such a child. But I'm emotional, always have been, probably nothing to do about that now!!

Next cruise is 17 days up over the northern coast of Australia with a quick stop up to Bali. Should be nice!!


Allyson - Apr 15, 2011 2:05:39 pm PDT #3480 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I wasn't looking for a movement at all.

I've been eating Activia.