I'm not trying to find an assless movement, ita.

I think that psychologically, it's somehow easier for me to deal with clueless sexism than it is for me to deal with carefully thought-out justifications for sexism wrapped in just-so stories that seem to make the ass feel as though his privilege is somehow...earned?

That was for Zenkitty, who didn't want to be associated with a movement with Dawkins in it. I don't know how you find a movement where everyone passes muster. It would say a lot about people. We probably wouldn't need movements.

I wasn't looking for a movement at all.

Timelies, all. I'm in Sydney today - we are finishing our 42 day Asia cruise, and it is going to be WEIRD today to have other people on the ship. 42 days is a long time, it felt like we were all friends!!

Plus my roommate/ship best friend goes home today as well, and I am NOT holding it together too well. This being my first contract I'm not yet used to people just leaving all the time. There may have been lots of tears at the crew bar last night. I felt like such a child. But I'm emotional, always have been, probably nothing to do about that now!!

Next cruise is 17 days up over the northern coast of Australia with a quick stop up to Bali. Should be nice!!

I wasn't looking for a movement at all.

I've been eating Activia.

Well, sure, Allyson: it's always better to feel that someone is just clueless, and maybe a little education could open up their eyes versus "Well, this person is actually smart and has thought about it, and has an opinion which is egregiously wrong to my eyes/the actuality OR is just smart AND an asshole."

I deal with sexism by not really having close people in my life who are unopen to examining different POV's, by calling people out on things in my classroom (all the time -- when I'm in an active role as an educator, I feel bound to do this) or in social situations (when I feel sharply or arsed enough or energetic enough to do so.)

I combat the preconceived notions of sexism by just being a well-rounded person, and not accepting bullshit dichotomies -- I still use Ms. but am not really bugged if people call me Mrs., I kept my last name, I choose a relationship that's very equal, gender-wise, and I keep myself educated and pass along information as I feel I am able to.

It's...like some people have a calling for things, be it a religion or teaching or a social cause, and they build their life around it, and that's great, and the world needs people who feel that pull, just like the world needs people like me, who don't feel the activist pull, but just do small, constant things and live their life doing the things the activiist peeps need to use to point out "Hey, lots of people do/think/believe this, see?"

Some people are the wires, some people are the electricity. I'm a wire that throws out an occasional spark.

Did this million dollar challenge ever happen, or is this what someone thought men and women would say? To me, the notion that women have all the power in sexual relationships is a pernicious myth with little basis in reality.

Wow, zuisa, I can't imagine taking a 42-day cruise!

Some people are the wires, some people are the electricity. I'm a wire that throws out an occasional spark.

Ooh, I like that, and would like to think of myself that way. I just became facebook friends with someone I know from work, so the next day she said, "I didn't know you went to [grad school]! You must be really smart." I was like, eh. "...and a feminist." Well, yes, I am. Not that it has anything to do with [grad school]. But I guess that's a fair assumption. Anyway, it was kind of funny.

WRT to sexism, Dawkins did also say this

"A more subtle reason for preaching to the choir is raising consciousness. When the feminists raised our consciousness about sexist pronouns, they would have been preaching to the choir where the more substantive issues of the rights of women and the evils of discrimination against them were concerned. But that decent, liberal choir still needed its consciousness raising with respect to everyday language. However right-on we may have been on the political issues of rights and discrimination, we nevertheless still unconsciously bought into linguistic conventions that made half the human race feel excluded."

To me, the notion that women have all the power in sexual relationships is a pernicious myth with little basis in reality.

We're that gatekeepers, dontcha know. We decide whether or not men will be allowed to fuck us.

I have been told that more times than I care to remember. (Not by Tim. He tends to view sexual relations as something both people engage in, not something the man does to the woman because she "lets him" do it. That's kind of nifty.)