Sometimes when I'm sitting in class... You know, I'm not thinking about class, 'cause that would never happen. I think about kissing you. And it's like everything stops. It's like, it's like freeze frame. Willow kissage.

Oz ,'First Date'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Lee - Apr 09, 2011 8:22:48 am PDT #2489 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I am trying to do my taxes.

Dita is trying to eat my W-2.


§ ita § - Apr 09, 2011 8:24:59 am PDT #2490 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I am rewatching S1 of Community and then going back and watching the commentary. I should be out buying fizz or tidying before the cable guy gets here. My living room is a wreck.


Theodosia - Apr 09, 2011 8:26:39 am PDT #2491 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'm so sorry to come back to Natter and find that Sass is still lost. Crossing my fingers as hard as I can!


Steph L. - Apr 09, 2011 8:34:07 am PDT #2492 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Vanilla privilege. Part of it I get, part of it is judgy and assumptive itself.

Oh, lord. I understand, really I do. People want to get their freak on and not have it be problematic. But seriously? This is a world where a woman who has "vanilla" missionary-position, woman-on-the-bottom sex with the lights off will still be slut-shamed. So I'm not really on the "no one understands the perverts' pain!" bandwagon. It's just...there doesn't seem to be anything simple about sexuality.

■Vanilla is not used as a pejorative.

This half way down the list made me laugh out loud.

Right? I kind of want to e-mail her the definition of "irony."

A vanilla person can assume their sexual partner will have approximately the same sexual desires they will

That's just willful ignorance.

A vanilla person will not have their sexual orientation called into question due to their sexual practices.

I assume she's never, EVER, met a straight man who likes being on the bottom for anal sex.

A vanilla person does not have to worry about outsiders perceiving their relationship as abusive or pathological.

Wait, seriously? Is she being deliberately obtuse, or is she just stupid?

A vanilla person will not fear their sexual practices counting against them in a divorce.

See above, re: slut-shaming and re: deliberately obtuse/stupid.


§ ita § - Apr 09, 2011 8:40:45 am PDT #2493 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I assume she's never, EVER, met a straight man who likes being on the bottom for anal sex.

I'm sure she doesn't count straight men and anal sex as vanilla, especially if he's on the receiving end.

eta: I read more of her tumblr, and she seems to be a smug lesbian submissive who's a professional top, so I figure she figure she's untouchable when she talks about sex.


Amy - Apr 09, 2011 8:44:47 am PDT #2494 of 30001
Because books.

The question is how do you define vanilla? Is this some 1950s idea of under-the-covers, nightgown-pulled-up, lights-off missionary (and of course heterosexual) sex only? Where does the line get drawn?


smonster - Apr 09, 2011 8:53:55 am PDT #2495 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

...I couldn't get past Peacock Angel. Really?


Steph L. - Apr 09, 2011 8:54:09 am PDT #2496 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I'm sure she doesn't count straight men and anal sex as vanilla, especially if he's on the receiving end.

The question is how do you define vanilla? Is this some 1950s idea of under-the-covers, nightgown-pulled-up, lights-off missionary (and of course heterosexual) sex only? Where does the line get drawn?

I think she must be defining it *very* narrowly.


§ ita § - Apr 09, 2011 8:54:52 am PDT #2497 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think she must be defining it *very* narrowly.

I'm sure it's sex where nothing cool happens.


Trudy Booth - Apr 09, 2011 8:57:56 am PDT #2498 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I don't think of anything anal being particularly "vanilla".