Argh, I made it so long! But have now found out something that happens in Mad Men, which I hope to watch tonight. I will not say "spoiled" because I don't think it's the real point of the hour, but still. I tried.

Why doesn't the sleep specialist want you on Ambien if Ambien was working for you?

Ambien wasn't working every night. So far, trazadone isn't working any night. Also, I think she's gotten more than a little excited about my migraines. Why does every doctor (apart from my pain specialists who could not care less and refuse to prescribe or endorse any pain meds) get so hot on them, like no one has ever tried before? The amount of time I spend going "I know, but..." and not feeling like they're listening is way too much.

I'm thinking I'll work out how much Red Bull has as much caffeine as a cup of coffee and drink that instead. I find it much more refreshing, and since it will have less volume, more space left over for my diluted juice.

I don't see it having a major therapeutic effect on people who aren't already addicts.

It's actually the opposite - if you drink coffee every day, the only thing it will do for you is get rid of your withdrawal headache. You can only use it to wake up if you're not an addict.

But since it only takes about a week of regular consumption to get addicted in the first place, it's really not a reliable performance enhancer - after a few days it'll stop working unless you start drinking more, and at some point most people will start to get rebound headaches that are worse than the caffiene withdrawal.

(For me it was 4-5 cups every day for months before I noticed. I cut down to 1 cup a day and my headaches went away, but a caffiene overdose headache is not chronic migraine.)

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It's actually the opposite - if you drink coffee every day, the only thing it will do for you is get rid of your withdrawal headache. You can only use it to wake up if you're not an addict.

This. I have cut down to one iced coffee a week as my only caffeine consumption period (at least in terms of a caffeinated beverage), and boy can I feel that sucker. I have it on Fridays and/or the last work day of a given week since I like getting to bed later when I have a day off the next day.

Ambien wasn't working every night. So far, trazadone isn't working any night.

That seems to work out to Ambien:1, trazadone:0, right?

It's actually the opposite - if you drink coffee every day, the only thing it will do for you is get rid of your withdrawal headache. You can only use it to wake up if you're not an addict.

I don't think it's either/or. I've been drinking coffee regularly for decades and I only *need* about 1/4-1/2 cup of coffee a day to stave off the headache, so a cup in the morning easily provides both satisfaction of my addiction AND a bit of pep.

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I don't think it's either/or. I've been drinking coffee regularly for decades and I only *need* about 1/4-1/2 cup of coffee a day to stave off the headache, so a cup in the morning easily provides both satisfaction of my addiction AND a bit of pep.

Yeah, I'm curious about this. Anyone got links?

That seems to work out to Ambien:1, trazadone:0, right?

In my scorecard, yes. But, you know, I only know me, not medicine.

I should also note--I went 41 years without using caffeine to wake me up, EVER. I resent that a sleep specialist is telling me to add another crutch, when I just want to be more normal.

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I can't stand the bitterness of coffee (or most teas) and don't like sodas either. So the only caffeine I get is courtesy of pills -- about half of one is a coffee cup's worth, so I dole it out in the morning in small increments. Keeps the kick, when I really need it like for a late night drive, that much stronger.