Well, we may not have parted on the best of terms. I realize certain words were exchanged. Also, certain... bullets. But that's air through the engine. It's past. We're business people.

Mal ,'Serenity'


Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Oct 19, 2010 7:13:38 am PDT #525 of 30001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I don't see it having a major therapeutic effect on people who aren't already addicts.

It's actually the opposite - if you drink coffee every day, the only thing it will do for you is get rid of your withdrawal headache. You can only use it to wake up if you're not an addict.

But since it only takes about a week of regular consumption to get addicted in the first place, it's really not a reliable performance enhancer - after a few days it'll stop working unless you start drinking more, and at some point most people will start to get rebound headaches that are worse than the caffiene withdrawal.

(For me it was 4-5 cups every day for months before I noticed. I cut down to 1 cup a day and my headaches went away, but a caffiene overdose headache is not chronic migraine.)


Amy - Oct 19, 2010 7:18:30 am PDT #526 of 30001
Because books.

Jessica, insent.


tommyrot - Oct 19, 2010 7:24:55 am PDT #527 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

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Frankenbuddha - Oct 19, 2010 7:31:50 am PDT #528 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

It's actually the opposite - if you drink coffee every day, the only thing it will do for you is get rid of your withdrawal headache. You can only use it to wake up if you're not an addict.

This. I have cut down to one iced coffee a week as my only caffeine consumption period (at least in terms of a caffeinated beverage), and boy can I feel that sucker. I have it on Fridays and/or the last work day of a given week since I like getting to bed later when I have a day off the next day.


Burrell - Oct 19, 2010 7:35:23 am PDT #529 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Ambien wasn't working every night. So far, trazadone isn't working any night.

That seems to work out to Ambien:1, trazadone:0, right?

It's actually the opposite - if you drink coffee every day, the only thing it will do for you is get rid of your withdrawal headache. You can only use it to wake up if you're not an addict.

I don't think it's either/or. I've been drinking coffee regularly for decades and I only *need* about 1/4-1/2 cup of coffee a day to stave off the headache, so a cup in the morning easily provides both satisfaction of my addiction AND a bit of pep.


bon bon - Oct 19, 2010 7:40:04 am PDT #530 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Stabbed by a fish! Now I got this to worry about: [link]

I don't think it's either/or. I've been drinking coffee regularly for decades and I only *need* about 1/4-1/2 cup of coffee a day to stave off the headache, so a cup in the morning easily provides both satisfaction of my addiction AND a bit of pep.

Yeah, I'm curious about this. Anyone got links?


§ ita § - Oct 19, 2010 7:40:43 am PDT #531 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That seems to work out to Ambien:1, trazadone:0, right?

In my scorecard, yes. But, you know, I only know me, not medicine.

I should also note--I went 41 years without using caffeine to wake me up, EVER. I resent that a sleep specialist is telling me to add another crutch, when I just want to be more normal.

eta: those shoes, with the fiery-coloured crystals, are sexy. Not that I could ever wear them, but still.

Down with the kyriarchy!


Theodosia - Oct 19, 2010 7:41:06 am PDT #532 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I can't stand the bitterness of coffee (or most teas) and don't like sodas either. So the only caffeine I get is courtesy of pills -- about half of one is a coffee cup's worth, so I dole it out in the morning in small increments. Keeps the kick, when I really need it like for a late night drive, that much stronger.


Jessica - Oct 19, 2010 7:41:40 am PDT #533 of 30001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Here's an article - I'm trying to find a link to the original study:

[link]

[eta: And here's a link to the study as published in Nature, but it looks like you need an academic login to view more than the abstract:

[link]

Caffeine, a widely consumed adenosine A1 and A2A receptor antagonist, is valued as a psychostimulant, but it is also anxiogenic. An association between a variant within the ADORA2A gene (rs5751876) and caffeine-induced anxiety has been reported for individuals who habitually consume little caffeine. This study investigated whether this single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) might also affect habitual caffeine intake, and whether habitual intake might moderate the anxiogenic effect of caffeine. Participants were 162 non-/low (NL) and 217 medium/high (MH) caffeine consumers. In a randomized, double-blind, parallel groups design they rated anxiety, alertness, and headache before and after 100 mg caffeine and again after another 150 mg caffeine given 90 min later, or after placebo on both occasions. Caffeine intake was prohibited for 16 h before the first dose of caffeine/placebo. Results showed greater susceptibility to caffeine-induced anxiety, but not lower habitual caffeine intake (indeed coffee intake was higher), in the rs5751876 TT genotype group, and a reduced anxiety response in MH vs NL participants irrespective of genotype. Apart from the almost completely linked ADORA2A SNP rs3761422, no other of eight ADORA2A and seven ADORA1 SNPs studied were found to be clearly associated with effects of caffeine on anxiety, alertness, or headache. Placebo administration in MH participants decreased alertness and increased headache. Caffeine did not increase alertness in NL participants. With frequent consumption, substantial tolerance develops to the anxiogenic effect of caffeine, even in genetically susceptible individuals, but no net benefit for alertness is gained, as caffeine abstinence reduces alertness and consumption merely returns it to baseline.

And the press release from the research team, which is basically what Reuters published:

[link]


-t - Oct 19, 2010 7:46:01 am PDT #534 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

My getting stabbed by a fish story is not as dramatic as that.