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Spike's Bitches 46: Don't I get a cookie?  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Zenkitty - Nov 18, 2010 8:38:33 am PST #8867 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Do most people look deeply into the eyes of someone they're talkin to?

Creeps me out when people do that. It's a primal signal of aggression, staring directly into someone's eyes for more than a couple moments! I don't think one can get a good "read" of what someone's feeling by doing that, anyway, because pretty quickly you're gonna get "agitation, distress, fear" regardless of what they were feeling *before* someone within arm's reach starting staring intently at them. (And by "them" I mean "me".)


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2010 8:42:04 am PST #8868 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's a primal signal of aggression, staring directly into someone's eyes for more than a couple moments!

Why am I reading primal signals of aggression as come ons?

Should I even have typed that out loud?


Steph L. - Nov 18, 2010 8:42:04 am PST #8869 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Do most people look deeply into the eyes of someone they're talkin to?

Creeps me out when people do that. It's a primal signal of aggression, staring directly into someone's eyes for more than a couple moments!

I've started calling this "eyefucking," although it's not the same type of gaze that led to the fannish use of the term (see also, Angel and Lindsey).

I hate it when people won't break eye contact after an acceptable amount of time, because it feels like they're trying to climb inside my head and I just want to punch them.


ChiKat - Nov 18, 2010 8:45:03 am PST #8870 of 30000
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

In interpersonal communication, eye contact needs a balance. Too much and people are creepy. Too little and people are shady. Most people learn eye contact by interacting with others, but like most social skills, that can vary depending on who you are learning them from, your own predilictions, and social norms for your community.


tommyrot - Nov 18, 2010 8:45:29 am PST #8871 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

OK, I don't feel so bad now about my poor eye-contact-making skills. When I want to, I can force myself to make eye contact from time to time.

Once I had a date with a woman who not only never made eye contact with me, she was always looking way off to the side. It bugged me, maybe because it was an exaggerated version of my eye contact difficulties?


beekaytee - Nov 18, 2010 8:45:35 am PST #8872 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

I don't want to turn this conversation, which has been about someone else and her needs, into one that's all memememe.

I didn't take it as that at all. I'm genuinely interested in the topic.

I don't force eye contact and whether or not I use it is totally mood based.

Dictionary.com tells me that the difference between empathy and sympathy is:

Both empathy and sympathy are feelings concerning other people. Sympathy is literally 'feeling with' - compassion for or commiseration with another person. Empathy, by contrast, is literally 'feeling into' - the ability to project one's personality into another person and more fully understand that person. Sympathy derives from Latin and Greek words meaning 'having a fellow feeling'. The term empathy originated in psychology (translation of a German term, c. 1903) and has now come to mean the ability to imagine or project oneself into another person's position and experience all the sensations involved in that position. You feel empathy when you've "been there", and sympathy when you haven't.

Hm.

edited to fix fumbled formatting


lisah - Nov 18, 2010 8:45:47 am PST #8873 of 30000
Punishingly Intricate

Why am I reading primal signals of aggression as come ons?

I think extended eye contact is a standard form of flirting.


Zenkitty - Nov 18, 2010 8:47:24 am PST #8874 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Why am I reading primal signals of aggression as come ons?

Well, it's context-specific, I guess. Personally, I don't like it even when it's in the context of a romantic interlude with a partner.


tommyrot - Nov 18, 2010 8:48:47 am PST #8875 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

When I first moved to Chicago, I could always tell the streetwalkers in my neighborhood because they would immediately make and hold eye contact with me.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2010 8:51:39 am PST #8876 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, it's context-specific, I guess.

My context-o-meter is broken, because I've never read it as aggression. Every time someone looks at me too long I think they're a creeper in the bad touch way.

*However* I probably make and maintain more eye contact than, say, Steph is comfortable with, when I'm in a solid and alpha mood. Especially in a public speaking/meeting context, it's my do-my-bidding hear-my-words gesture, and I'm always making eye contact with someone, if there are more than three people in the room and I'm talking.

Business one on ones? I spend most of the time on the person's face, and 50% of that on their eyes. WHILE TALKING IS HAPPENING. It's only while not talking that I start to get the bad feelings.