Wash: Well, I wash my hands of it. It's a hopeless case. I'll read a nice poem at the funeral. Something with imagery. Zoe: You could lock the door and keep the power-hungry maniac at bay. Wash: Oh, no, I'm starting to like this poetry idea now. Here lies my beloved Zoe, my autumn flower, somewhat less attractive now she's all corpsified and gross...

'Shindig'


Spike's Bitches 46: Don't I get a cookie?  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Jessica - Nov 18, 2010 6:30:12 am PST #8832 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

This is an impasse, and the onus is on her to change, because the truth is, you've already moved on.

I do feel I have to respond in this woman's defense - I don't see where there's an onus on her to do anything. If the ball is in her court, she has every right to leave it there and walk away.

This whole conversation has made me very uncomfortable because there seems to be an unspoken assumption that Bonny is somehow entitled to this woman's friendship because of a relationship they've had in the past, and I really don't believe that's ever the case, in any relationship.


sj - Nov 18, 2010 6:32:15 am PST #8833 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Hands Seska a cuppa I'm sorry you had to go to that stressful meeting. I hope their fixes help.


beekaytee - Nov 18, 2010 7:05:44 am PST #8834 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

Jessica, I actually totally agree with you. No one is entitled to anyone's friendship simply because they have been connected.

Clearly, it would be impossible to articulate everything about my friendship with K but there is one of two things I DO feel entitled to. Either follow-through on agreements about the way we are to communicate OR a clear message that the agreement no longer stands. That is honest and fair.

As a point of reference, before K moved to AZ, I suggested that we scale back our connection because I'm acutely aware of how things can shift for people. She reacted completely opposite of what I expected. "NO, NO. You are my most important friend and I won't lose you or ever stop being your friend."

I confess to hearing what I wanted to hear.

The crappy communication thing was annoying, but not fatal. Telling me that she would be there for me when I was sick and then blowing me off. That was fatal.

You are right. I'm not entitled to anyone staying connected to me, but I am entitled to honesty and, heaven's forswear, a little respect.


beekaytee - Nov 18, 2010 7:13:41 am PST #8835 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

bonny, I am logging in from France just to tell you that you were not stupid. Love and friendship require risks and sometimes they just don't pay off. You're awesome and I hope to meet you offline soon.

Thanks Java! Me too, you.

And France! How lovely. A good friend is flying to London for Thanksgiving and will 'chunnel' her way to Paris the day after. I am positively thrilled for her.

Her -for all intends and purposes- stepdaughter is interning at the Old Globe. How cool is that?

Which leads me to a question for anyone who has ever been to that theatre. I recently watched an episode of "Time Team", a Brit show about architecture. They showed the inside of the Globe during a rain storm. Were my eyes deceiving me, or is there no roof?


tommyrot - Nov 18, 2010 7:14:55 am PST #8836 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Were my eyes deceiving me, or is there no roof?

There's no roof.


beekaytee - Nov 18, 2010 7:15:35 am PST #8837 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

Huh. A venue in Britain with no roof. Do plays go on in the rain?


Vortex - Nov 18, 2010 7:20:07 am PST #8838 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

There is no roof. They needed the natural light for the performances.


beekaytee - Nov 18, 2010 7:21:26 am PST #8839 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

They needed the natural light for the performances.

Of course. That makes sense.

I guess, if performances do go on in the rain, that just adds to the adventure.


WindSparrow - Nov 18, 2010 7:45:57 am PST #8840 of 30000
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

You guys need to post links like that to the tumblr.

I don't have a tumblr account.


DavidS - Nov 18, 2010 7:46:02 am PST #8841 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

She IS so sensitive to her own fears and defenses that she cannot be sensitive to the emotional needs of others. Given her closer relationships with some truly difficult people, that makes sense.

I'll note here that it took me a long time to realize that we have different words for "sympathetic" and "empathetic" for a reason.

Somebody can be naturally sympathetic, expressing concern or compassion for your plight without being empathetic - being able to read, or know your emotions. This can lead to a lot of confusion and tension when somebody who has been sympathetic turns out to be not so empathetic.

I don't think it's necessarily something that can be learned. Some people are just better are reading those feelings.