I forgot about how this can evoke the "my faith is better!" notion, WHICH I DID NOT MEAN AT ALL!

Shir, I (and I think I speak for many people when I say this) read absolutely no "my religion is the best!!" into your statements. Indeed, I read this from no Buffistas. What I read was a personal declaration of a crisis of faith, and a query into others' dealings with faith-wrestling...(and my mind just went to a dirty, dirty, fun Buffy place....back now.)

For my part, I hope nothing I wrote was misconstrued as a "people here are trying to religiously oppress me, and I don't LIKE IT!" Any statements I made about my dislike of being proselytized to were general, and in no way do I feel any Buffista has ever done this.

It would be tres amusant to see anyone come on this board and try to proselytize. Heh.

Thanks, Erin. Of course no one likes being proselytized. I was worried when I saw how many posts about The True American-Christian Religion my original post brought up in reply, and I wanted to make sure folks understood what I was writing about.

I'm still in that crisis. It's not easy. It's especially not very easy when I don't know anyone who believed things the same way I did (very personal faith view of faith which applies only to me). Because I want to believe and it's a very important part of my daily behavior that there's something more than just people and stuff of this universe, even if I never named it/seriously worshiped it. I'm not sure I'm ready yet to live without that belief - it's a very undermining experience. Kind of like someone stole my safety blanket of belief, and I'm a bit lost without it, and not sure where to look for it again or what will replace it.

Shir, I think it was just Buffistas doing what they do - offering relevant personal experiences as a way of sympathizing, empathizing, and showing how many different paths there are. For myself, I've sort of come through my crisis of faith to believing in *something*, but I certainly didn't mean to suggest that you should do as I do, and I didn't interpret what you said as exhorting everyone to abandon their faith and/or convert to Judaism.

Not to sound glib, or to denigrate your experience, but it can be comforting, in a way, to go through a crisis of faith. It's certainly not comfortable, but I think it demonstrates a mental acuity far, far too many people lack -- they accept too easily what other people tell them.

What is that old saw -- "The unexamined life is not worth living?" Well, an unexamined faith is, IMHO, like buying a pig in a poke. Grappling with what you believe is much, much harder, but generally you come out the other side with much more conviction in what you believe in. Sometimes, granted, there's no other side to come out of, and that loss of innocence can be truly awful. However, what you come up with can work out just as well.

I quite like the idea of a beneficent god who wants Good Things for the world, but I just don't know if it's true, and I'm ok with the ambiguity. I believe it's in some ways even better for there to be no Great Arbiter of Goodness, no reward or punishment, that people should try to do Good Things and act for the greater good because it's the ethical things to do -- do good for good's sake, not from fear or duty or the desire to appear good.

My twenties were definitely the time of parsing out my ideas, and I imagine I will be adding and subtracting to them until I drop dead. I wish you well, Shir, and I hope you can find a path that is right for you and brings you peace.

You know what I miss about having a job??

Having a copier to use for my own, personal, Scouting crap.

Signed,
Needs 200 copies of a flyer made. Have paper, need copier.

Maybe an email to the parents in the troop, Aims?

Oh it's a recruiting plyer for families that aren't in Girl Scouts yet.

do good for good's sake, not from fear or duty or the desire to appear good.

One of my favorite Angel quotes, from "Epiphany": If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do.

Oh it's a recruiting plyer for families that aren't in Girl Scouts yet.

But maybe one of the parents has access to a copier, and can make them for you?

Anyhow, didn't mean to make anyone feel that way. My question were strictly in a personal notion, not "this is what's best for all".

It may be a matter of English not being your mother tongue, that the subtleties of tone of the discussion were not as clear to you, but that was one of the most respectful, gentle "this is what I believe, and why/how I got to that point in faith/not faith" I have ever witnessed, even here where such discussion is always done in a disciplined way. It looked to me as though the primary motivation in those who communicated that, was to show you that there are many paths through such a crisis of faith, and no matter which path is yours or how lonely you feel now going through that path, in the end you will not be alone, because there will be Buffistas somewhere nearby. Near, if not in the exact tenets of belief (or lack of it), in the closeness of... oh, shit, I don't know where this is going. Just... we love you and want to ease you on your way.