Book: Yes, I'd forgotten you're moonlighting as a criminal mastermind now. Got your next heist planned? Simon: No. But I'm thinking about growing a big black mustache. I'm a traditionalist.

'War Stories'


Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


javachik - Apr 26, 2010 7:16:04 pm PDT #25345 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Oh Kat, a room full of adults? That is preposterous!

For toys, would hanging toy hammocks work? Gets 'em out from under, are easy to put up and not too expensive.

And yep, this is the CHILI PEPPER drug. And I named my dog wayyyyy before I ever started working there; it was fate.

Smonster, it's not supposed to be placed anywhere near mucus membranes and eyes. But very small patches can probably be cut for strategic placement. And seriously, I can not begin to imagine how much pain Shingles on the face must be!


Typo Boy - Apr 26, 2010 7:17:48 pm PDT #25346 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Something the assholes who support this have not though about. If a cop really obeys this new rule all the way, then if a victim reports a crime, or someone witnesses a crime the cop is still obliged to check any reasonable suspicion of undocumented status. Given that crime victims won't report crimes and witnesses sure as hell won't come forward. So basically this law means its supporters hate brown people more than they hate rapists or murderers. Also when you put people outside the law, there is a real temptation to form your own organization for protection and revenge. I think that is how a lot of large scale gangs get started - not as profit making enterprises, but as a form of protection where there is no real distinction between cops and criminals.


javachik - Apr 26, 2010 7:19:38 pm PDT #25347 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

That is an excellent point, Typo. I fear you're right.


Cass - Apr 26, 2010 7:31:27 pm PDT #25348 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Hot toddies are good things.

So good.

So basically this law means its supporters hate brown people more than they hate rapists or murderers.

It's awful, but I think this is accurate.

Partially because of institutionalized racism and unrealistic fear that can lead people to think that all crime is perpetrated by said brown people.


bon bon - Apr 26, 2010 7:33:13 pm PDT #25349 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

It's a bad law. But it's also pretty clearly unconstitutional: states can't enforce immigration laws. It will be challenged by a private citizen and, I'm guessing, enforcement will be immediately stayed.


megan walker - Apr 26, 2010 7:36:32 pm PDT #25350 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

That is an excellent point, Typo. I fear you're right.

God I hope not. My oldest friend in the world is Iranian and lives in West Texas. Needless to say, it was eye opening driving around near the border with her.


Trudy Booth - Apr 26, 2010 7:36:36 pm PDT #25351 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

So basically this law means its supporters hate brown people more than they hate rapists or murderers.

Oh, I'm pretty sure they're assuming they're one and the same.


Strix - Apr 26, 2010 7:41:35 pm PDT #25352 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Immigration is very frustrating for me since I worked (and adored) so many Hispanic students who were mostly Mexican, and told me horrific stories about coyotes and manipulative and abusive employers. I had several students who were illegal, and a few who had been here since they were 2 or 3, but since they were illegal, their educational opportunties were limited. Our valedictorian was illegal; no college for her. Some of our Kaufman scholars were illegal, spent 4 years in the program, the admin of the program KNEW they were illegal, and the college scholarships they worked for and were promised were denied because it would be "too much trouble." And three of the kids got into Rockhurst, and I KNOW the program people knew these kids were illegal since they were accepted into the program as freshmen.

Most of the AZ law supporters are using national security as an excuse for racial/ethnic discrimination against Latinos, and it disgusts me. National security, my ass. Yes, there are concerns with crime and trafficking, but that's a minority of immigrants. There's a better solution, one that's human and color-blind.

Java, I am thrilled that your company is doing something so tangibly helpful. That's so exciting and fulfilling.

Kat, what? Is your partner a teacher too? I am finding college teaching a relief in that way; I don't drop the f-bomb, but I can certainly be looser in my speech than in high school, and for my personality, it's such a relief.

I hope things gets less frustrating. I wish I had a transporter; I would be an excellent toy organizeuse!

David, I remember getting tonsilitis before a big government class project my senior year (the teacher was a strict old-school deadline teacher, and I had to get this big project done to pass with a decent grade.) They were up all night, and were hugely pissed that (a) I'd slacked off and (b) that they got a B- on this project! Only school thing my parents ever really "did" -- they'd help with science projects and such. A 67 page project in, what, 6th grade? 7th? That's a little much, it seems.


Vortex - Apr 26, 2010 7:44:58 pm PDT #25353 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I would have a lot less problem with the law if it were a secondary offense, like wearing a seat belt in some states. You can't get arrested for it, but if you're getting pulled over for something else, they can charge you for it.


Liese S. - Apr 26, 2010 7:55:36 pm PDT #25354 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, I peripherally know some people who do peacemaking work on the border, basically getting in the way of violence, offering water & basic first aid, standing around when the border patrol agents did their stuff to make sure there weren't abuses, that sort of thing. Talking to them was shocking in what they see on a regular basis. And up here I've still got people who think that illegal immigration is a capital offense.