Honestly, you meet the most appalling sort of people....

Giles ,'Chosen'


Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Lee - Apr 26, 2010 7:11:22 pm PDT #25342 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Hot toddies are good things.


sarameg - Apr 26, 2010 7:12:44 pm PDT #25343 of 30001

This and then I am crashing: one of the things about the Arizona bullshit that makes me crazy is that it isn't new. Just as shameful, but not new. See, growing up on the border, you accustom yourself to INS (at the time, I guess it is ICE or HS now) checkpoints. And it ALWAY pissed me off that shiny white faces got waved through. Even when dad was transporting fucking Soviets and East German citizens right past White Sands Missile Range, Holoman AFB and various other sensitive defense facilities. But god, if you had someone with a browner complexion in the car, you'd get stopped, and the non-blanc would get the "Are you an american citizen?" question usually followed by a request for id. And it fucking pissed me off, every time. Nevermind that every time I encountered this? Their families had been settled legally in this country longer than my own pale ass family. Few times, my friends balked at id, because *I* didn't get asked for one and it wasn't fun. Talked their way out of it, but shit. Either you ask everyone, or you ask no one. And yeah, that's another huge issue cause outside SSid, few are keen on the concept on national id.

And in the meantime, while I was growing up and getting incensed at the checkpoints, my father was bypassing them on backroads, illegally transporting El Salvadorans, Guatemalans and Nicaraguans to political asylum in Canada. So.


Lee - Apr 26, 2010 7:14:28 pm PDT #25344 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

You already know this, sarameg, but you have a very cool dad.

His daughter's pretty awesome too.


javachik - Apr 26, 2010 7:16:04 pm PDT #25345 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Oh Kat, a room full of adults? That is preposterous!

For toys, would hanging toy hammocks work? Gets 'em out from under, are easy to put up and not too expensive.

And yep, this is the CHILI PEPPER drug. And I named my dog wayyyyy before I ever started working there; it was fate.

Smonster, it's not supposed to be placed anywhere near mucus membranes and eyes. But very small patches can probably be cut for strategic placement. And seriously, I can not begin to imagine how much pain Shingles on the face must be!


Typo Boy - Apr 26, 2010 7:17:48 pm PDT #25346 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Something the assholes who support this have not though about. If a cop really obeys this new rule all the way, then if a victim reports a crime, or someone witnesses a crime the cop is still obliged to check any reasonable suspicion of undocumented status. Given that crime victims won't report crimes and witnesses sure as hell won't come forward. So basically this law means its supporters hate brown people more than they hate rapists or murderers. Also when you put people outside the law, there is a real temptation to form your own organization for protection and revenge. I think that is how a lot of large scale gangs get started - not as profit making enterprises, but as a form of protection where there is no real distinction between cops and criminals.


javachik - Apr 26, 2010 7:19:38 pm PDT #25347 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

That is an excellent point, Typo. I fear you're right.


Cass - Apr 26, 2010 7:31:27 pm PDT #25348 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Hot toddies are good things.

So good.

So basically this law means its supporters hate brown people more than they hate rapists or murderers.

It's awful, but I think this is accurate.

Partially because of institutionalized racism and unrealistic fear that can lead people to think that all crime is perpetrated by said brown people.


bon bon - Apr 26, 2010 7:33:13 pm PDT #25349 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

It's a bad law. But it's also pretty clearly unconstitutional: states can't enforce immigration laws. It will be challenged by a private citizen and, I'm guessing, enforcement will be immediately stayed.


megan walker - Apr 26, 2010 7:36:32 pm PDT #25350 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

That is an excellent point, Typo. I fear you're right.

God I hope not. My oldest friend in the world is Iranian and lives in West Texas. Needless to say, it was eye opening driving around near the border with her.


Trudy Booth - Apr 26, 2010 7:36:36 pm PDT #25351 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

So basically this law means its supporters hate brown people more than they hate rapists or murderers.

Oh, I'm pretty sure they're assuming they're one and the same.