Can't any one of your damn little Scooby club at least try to remember that I hate you all?

Spike ,'Get It Done'


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amyth - Aug 17, 2010 6:17:17 am PDT #28889 of 30000
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

So sorry, billytea. My thoughts are with you all.

My low productivity streak continues today. I'm struggling to get out one massive email. If I can do that, the rest of the day will be no big deal. JUST THIS ONE MASSIVE EMAIL, with attached spreadsheet. And instructions that go with it. And all the details I have to fill in.

Um. And the phone calls I need to make to fill in the gaps.

On a normal day, this is a piece of cake.


smonster - Aug 17, 2010 6:21:05 am PDT #28890 of 30000
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

bt, that is just terrible. My heart goes out to WB and the family.

amyth, I mean this in the most sympathetic, empathic, non-sarcastic, supportive, let-me-know-what-I-can-do way: Welcome to my brain.

(on the not-a-mosque: part of me is completely tickled that many NYers are responding "It's none of your effing business." B/c they're right, and b/c it's the archetypal NY response.)


amyth - Aug 17, 2010 6:24:17 am PDT #28891 of 30000
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

Ha, smonster, funny we should meet HERE to talk about THIS.

Anyway, there's nothing you can do. I'm slogging through it. Coffee and fear are my gods, as usual, as long as I don't spill either one on my lap. But thanks.


sumi - Aug 17, 2010 6:25:22 am PDT #28892 of 30000
Art Crawl!!!

That's just horrible. I'm so sorry for your loss and as Shir said, peace and comfort to you all.


Gudanov - Aug 17, 2010 6:25:25 am PDT #28893 of 30000
Coding and Sleeping

Sorry, bt.


smonster - Aug 17, 2010 6:34:43 am PDT #28894 of 30000
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Ha, smonster, funny we should meet HERE to talk about THIS.

Poetic, in a way. Too bad coffee makes me jittery and fear paralyzes me. My gods are... mindfulness and water. Or something.


NoiseDesign - Aug 17, 2010 6:34:48 am PDT #28895 of 30000
Our wings are not tired

I'm convinced that part of the issue with the community center in NYC is people that have never been to NYC trying to asses how the city works. Manhattan isn't geographically large. A few blocks away in Manhattan might as well be a different world. It could certainly be a different neighborhood. In LA it would be like someone being offended about something in Pasadena being right next to Watts.


smonster - Aug 17, 2010 6:38:10 am PDT #28896 of 30000
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

ND, I think that also plays into the "why don't you have it somewhere else?" thing. NY is a city of neighborhoods, right? Where people walk and take the subway everywhere. Move it across town and they could lose their congregation.


Matt H - Aug 17, 2010 6:38:29 am PDT #28897 of 30000
Musikalicen Opfer

Matt, I agree with all of this, for the record. I don't think feelings should be given primacy over Constitutional principles. And I think it will be an American triumph when the community center is built.

I absolutely support the Cordoba Initiative's right to build the center (and, not that it matters, but I should note it does not cause me pain, unease, or offense). I wish, last night, that I'd thought to express my feelings thusly, "Were my congregation in the Cordoba Initiative's position, I would suggest that we change our plans, in order to avoid causing pain and strife."

As a very lapsed, very former New-England-Protestant-gone-native, I share the cultural referents you alluded to, and understand your general position.

That said, I respectfully disagree. Such decisions enact a sort of prior restraint which can only be explained by "I'm afraid of the conflict or social disruptions that this will cause."

While I understand the desire to not make waves, excessive deference to the dominant culture has (I think) a greater deleterious effect than open conflict. Such deference reinforces the idea that a given non-dominant-culture group must defer to the dominant culture even when the dominant culture's values and sentiment diverges from the law....and that is a very bad idea.


Jessica - Aug 17, 2010 6:42:13 am PDT #28898 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Well, huh: [link]

After weeks of heated debate over plans for an Islamic community center near Ground Zero - the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York - it seems Muslim leaders will soon back down, agreeing to move to a new site.

Sources in New York said on Monday that Muslim religious and business leaders will announce plans to abandon the project in the next few days.

New York Governor David Patterson said last weekend that Muslim leaders had rejected outright his proposal tto swap the site in for another in Manhattan.

But several people familiar with the debate among New York's Islamic activists now claim that the leaders are convinced abandoning the site is preferable to unleashing a wave of bitterness towards Muslims.

They also hope the move will be seen as a show of sensitivity to families of the victims of the 9/11 attacks, and to the American public generally.

Another factor in the apparent climbdown is a lack of funds to pay for construction of the center, estimated to cost a hundred million dollars. Backers hope moving it will lead to a wave of support, accompanied by cash donations.