'Serenity'
[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.
Wasn't that Jesse Helms on obscenity in art, WRT to the federal funding thereof, specifically the work of Robert Mapplethorpe?
Yes.
And I think I hate people who only want "art" that doesn't offend or upset them in any way, almost as much as I hate people who don't understand that science is a process, and not a collection of facts.
the woman actually looks like she's enjoying herself.
and doesn't sound like a kitten being strangled.
I like Aims's definition of erotica vs porn.
I'm off to bed at 9.15 because I've had enough of today. Most recent attempt to come off anti-depressants is making me cranky (and cry in public a lot).
are the men who watch gay porn looking for something different than the men watching het porn?
I think one difference is that, when gay men watch the gay stuff, the watcher can fantasize (almost by definition) being in the, um, shoes of more than one, um, participant. Straight men watching the het stuff, that's less likely.
Lack of a female orgasm is something lacking in most mainstream pron.
I don't know that that's actually true. Even in the mainstream stuff I don't watch, there's at least some kind of nod to the female orgasm, in that she'll at least make orgasm noises. Definitely the stuff I watch does not lack in that area, and if they're faking it for the camera, they are at least good at faking it. And believe me, there's plenty of that I can find (thank you, youporn).
I think there's plenty of cases, certainly in the stuff I watch, that she's not faking it, cuz a) still actually having some sex there, and b) the stuff I like isn't just a woman enjoying herself, it's a woman REALLY enjoying herself. That's hot.
Aaaaand now that I've made several awkwardly TMI confessions.... I'll be in my bunk.
Lack of a female orgasm is something lacking in most mainstream pron.
Technically, squirting porn (whether solo or with a partner) is primarily about the female orgasm. And while it's a niche, squirting porn has become a fairly mainstream niche.
Sean, if you can't be awkwardly TMI in this thread, where can you be?
I should have left my "normal" in there. I do not enjoy the squirting porn.
Fred is so right. I IM'd to Debet the other day, "THE PORN HAS RETURNED TO BITCHES! ATTENTION! THE PRON HAS RETURNED TO BITCHES!"
the watcher can fantasize (almost by definition) being in the, um, shoes of more than one, um, participant.
That seems to me the best part of it! Not that, as a female who watches male gay porn, I couldn't fantasize myself into the male role in het porn, it just doesn't seem to happen without making an effort. In gay porn, well, I could be either one, because I'm neither one.