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Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Spike's Bitches 45: That sure as hell wasn't in the brochure.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


DavidS - Dec 02, 2009 12:37:27 pm PST #2205 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hell, you've tried to do this in person and he doesn't seem to respect you enough to listen. People who don't respect you enough to listen to what you are saying in that exact moment no longer deserve that reciprocation. I don't care if they do feel aggrieved. Respect and listening is a two-way street.

I wouldn't interpret his behavior that way. He's sad she's leaving and wants her to stay. So he's trying to persuade her. I don't see that as disrespectful.

I don't think it's okay to break up over the phone unless you have a fear of physical danger.

I think grown-ups that have intimate relationships have a responsibility to deal with the end of the relationship as well. It's part of intimacy, even if it's difficult and painful.

But, I'll reiterate what Scrappy notes. All she's got to do is say, "This is my choice. You're right I don't want to give it a chance and I don't want to work on it. I don't have that obligation." (And I would add, "But I do feel like I have an obligation to tell you that in person." Though obviously that's a subject of disagreement.)


DavidS - Dec 02, 2009 1:06:52 pm PST #2206 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be contentious and I'm not taking his side.

I just think (a) if you have sex with person for a year you don't break up with them over the phone unless there's an issue of abuse or drugs or stealing or really damaging lies; and (b) it's not hard to be sympathetic with somebody who doesn't want to lose smonster. Nobody would want to lose smonster.


Typo Boy - Dec 02, 2009 1:11:45 pm PST #2207 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think there are more shades of grey than you are allowing for Hec. I'd agree that it would be best Smonster can follow Scrappy's suggestion successfully. If she knows that won't work for her, then the choices are "break up over the phone"/"stay in a bad relationship". And I'd say if the choices really come down to that, "break up over the phone" is the lesser evil.


WindSparrow - Dec 02, 2009 1:15:35 pm PST #2208 of 30000
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Stay strong, smonster.


-t - Dec 02, 2009 1:23:11 pm PST #2209 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I don't think it's okay to break up over the phone unless you have a fear of physical danger.

I'd say that depends on the value of that "okay". It gives the person broken up with something to complain about to his or her friends, but that's as far as I'd go. It's nicer to break up in person, sure, but nice is not necessarily what's called for.

As to smonster's plan specifically, I have no advice. Good luck, though, hon.


DavidS - Dec 02, 2009 1:24:59 pm PST #2210 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

If she knows that won't work for her, then the choices are "break up over the phone"/"stay in a bad relationship". And I'd say if the choices really come down to that, "break up over the phone" is the lesser evil.

You're the one that's presenting an unlikely binary scenario. She's already laid out her plan, which I think will serve her. She's got a friend waiting for her, and a letter to hand over. That should be enough.

I won't belabor it further. I hope it goes as smoothly as these things can go.


Calli - Dec 02, 2009 1:25:16 pm PST #2211 of 30000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I think if the breakee uses a person's presence as an opportunity to manipulate her, then he loses the right to an in-person breakup.


-t - Dec 02, 2009 1:30:12 pm PST #2212 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I'm gonna say it's not a right, it's a courtesy.

Eta: but I agree with Calli's point, taking advantage of someone's courtesy makes one undeserving of it.


Trudy Booth - Dec 02, 2009 1:43:15 pm PST #2213 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Whatever you do will be the right thing, Smonster.


Scrappy - Dec 02, 2009 1:44:27 pm PST #2214 of 30000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I think if the breakee uses a person's presence as an opportunity to manipulate her,

I think many folks being broken up with might plead the case for the relationship a bit. That isn't manipulation to my mind. Saying "I will kill myself if you leave" is manipulation. saying "Can't we work on this? Isn't there anything we can do to fix things?" doesn't feel like manipulation. It's damn uncomfortable to deal with if you are the one leaving, but it's not manipulation and to call it that seems disrespectful of the person being left.

That being said, the dropping a letter thing seems to me a PERFECT combo--respectful of both his feelings and her own.