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Spike's Bitches 45: That sure as hell wasn't in the brochure.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


DavidS - Dec 02, 2009 12:06:59 pm PST #2201 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Just be prepared, smonster. You may have your reasons, but anybody on the receiving end of being broken up with over the phone is going to feel very aggrieved.

I would be. I'd feel like anybody that had been intimate with me had a responsibility to stand in and tell it to me to my face. I would take that same responsibility.

It might be the right thing to do for you. But it's not really the right thing.

But I think your plan to hand him a letter and leave if you feel yourself weakening is better.


Scrappy - Dec 02, 2009 12:24:42 pm PST #2202 of 30000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Also, you don't have to argue. If he says you aren't giving things a chance or aren't working to fix things, just agree with him. You aren't doing those things because you know that this is what's best for you.


DavidS - Dec 02, 2009 12:27:24 pm PST #2203 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

If he says you aren't giving things a chance or aren't working to fix things, just agree with him. You aren't doing those things because you know that this is what's best for you.

This is true. You don't have to make a case. You just have to let him know you're making a choice. That's your prerogative.


Cass - Dec 02, 2009 12:33:27 pm PST #2204 of 30000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I think you can let him know these exact things on the phone, in a letter or however works for you.

Hell, you've tried to do this in person and he doesn't seem to respect you enough to listen. People who don't respect you enough to listen to what you are saying in that exact moment no longer deserve that reciprocation. I don't care if they do feel aggrieved. Respect and listening is a two-way street.


DavidS - Dec 02, 2009 12:37:27 pm PST #2205 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hell, you've tried to do this in person and he doesn't seem to respect you enough to listen. People who don't respect you enough to listen to what you are saying in that exact moment no longer deserve that reciprocation. I don't care if they do feel aggrieved. Respect and listening is a two-way street.

I wouldn't interpret his behavior that way. He's sad she's leaving and wants her to stay. So he's trying to persuade her. I don't see that as disrespectful.

I don't think it's okay to break up over the phone unless you have a fear of physical danger.

I think grown-ups that have intimate relationships have a responsibility to deal with the end of the relationship as well. It's part of intimacy, even if it's difficult and painful.

But, I'll reiterate what Scrappy notes. All she's got to do is say, "This is my choice. You're right I don't want to give it a chance and I don't want to work on it. I don't have that obligation." (And I would add, "But I do feel like I have an obligation to tell you that in person." Though obviously that's a subject of disagreement.)


DavidS - Dec 02, 2009 1:06:52 pm PST #2206 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be contentious and I'm not taking his side.

I just think (a) if you have sex with person for a year you don't break up with them over the phone unless there's an issue of abuse or drugs or stealing or really damaging lies; and (b) it's not hard to be sympathetic with somebody who doesn't want to lose smonster. Nobody would want to lose smonster.


Typo Boy - Dec 02, 2009 1:11:45 pm PST #2207 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think there are more shades of grey than you are allowing for Hec. I'd agree that it would be best Smonster can follow Scrappy's suggestion successfully. If she knows that won't work for her, then the choices are "break up over the phone"/"stay in a bad relationship". And I'd say if the choices really come down to that, "break up over the phone" is the lesser evil.


WindSparrow - Dec 02, 2009 1:15:35 pm PST #2208 of 30000
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Stay strong, smonster.


-t - Dec 02, 2009 1:23:11 pm PST #2209 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I don't think it's okay to break up over the phone unless you have a fear of physical danger.

I'd say that depends on the value of that "okay". It gives the person broken up with something to complain about to his or her friends, but that's as far as I'd go. It's nicer to break up in person, sure, but nice is not necessarily what's called for.

As to smonster's plan specifically, I have no advice. Good luck, though, hon.


DavidS - Dec 02, 2009 1:24:59 pm PST #2210 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

If she knows that won't work for her, then the choices are "break up over the phone"/"stay in a bad relationship". And I'd say if the choices really come down to that, "break up over the phone" is the lesser evil.

You're the one that's presenting an unlikely binary scenario. She's already laid out her plan, which I think will serve her. She's got a friend waiting for her, and a letter to hand over. That should be enough.

I won't belabor it further. I hope it goes as smoothly as these things can go.