Gunn: Well, how horrible is this thing? Lorne: I haven't read the Book of Revelations lately, but if I was searching for adjectives, I'd probably start there.

'Hell Bound'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Sep 05, 2009 5:20:13 pm PDT #7128 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I'm trying to find a clip on YouTube. There isn't much from that show and a bunch of it is in German. Who'd a thunk it?


Hil R. - Sep 05, 2009 5:24:32 pm PDT #7129 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Well, my mother replied that she liked hearing the guy in the video say "Hee-yuh, in Maine." No comments on the actual content.


Sophia Brooks - Sep 05, 2009 6:04:17 pm PDT #7130 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I think it must really be generational, because my mom thinks the same thing, and she has never been married and doesn't really have a high opinion of the institution! But marriage = man + woman, and anything else is completely fine and good, but not actually marriage.


Sophia Brooks - Sep 05, 2009 6:11:21 pm PDT #7131 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Sort of related to this topic, I have some conservative friends who I really respect, who really think that the government should stay out of things and then things will be good. And they have a very strong moral fiber and really believe in doing what is right, and most of the time I agree with them about what is right. So it occured to me (who was raised an independent liberal who always thought of conservatives as the bad guys) that these conservative believe more than I do that people are good and will do the right thing. That is, they believe that left to their own devices, people will help each other and make sure no one is left destitute by and illness or will go hungry. And I, a liberal, think that people are inherently selfish and that if someone (the government, church, societal expectations) doesn't interfere, people tend to look out for number one and other people will go hungry, bankrupt and ill. This is a mind change for me, because I always have seen liberals as people who care about others and conservatives as out for their own gain.


sarameg - Sep 05, 2009 6:19:47 pm PDT #7132 of 30001

I've always been a hobbesian liberal (life as nasty, brutish and short) and been all about the social contract as a means to mitigate it, but a concerted effort, not a natural thing. Locke pissed me off for reasons I've forgotten on that account. I think he thought it was our nature, which I think is BS.


Ginger - Sep 05, 2009 6:32:06 pm PDT #7133 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

My mother is 83, and we have political differences, but she does agree that gay couples can't have the same legal rights without marriage and she, unlike any of her relatives, some years ago concluded that being gay was not a "choice" and, in essence, that it was a shame to make people unhappy. We're not exactly on the same page, but she's got a good heart.


Hil R. - Sep 05, 2009 6:37:26 pm PDT #7134 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Al Franken is much better at being a politician than I would have expected: [link] A woman in a Tea Party shirt confronts him about health care at the State Fair, a crowd gathers, and he talks for ten minutes and actually gets several of the people nodding in agreement to several of his points.


Jesse - Sep 05, 2009 6:43:53 pm PDT #7135 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

That is, they believe that left to their own devices, people will help each other and make sure no one is left destitute by and illness or will go hungry.

But I think there's a darker strain that believes that people who are destitute deserve it -- this is America and everyone has the opportunity to succeed, so if you don't, that's on you.


javachik - Sep 05, 2009 6:47:03 pm PDT #7136 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

But I think there's a darker strain that believes that people who are destitute deserve it -- this is America and everyone has the opportunity to succeed, so if you don't, that's on you.

THIS.


erikaj - Sep 05, 2009 6:57:05 pm PDT #7137 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah, well, they're wrong, and have stupid hair. David Simon said so. He used about a million more words than that and a whole television show.