I've always been a hobbesian liberal (life as nasty, brutish and short) and been all about the social contract as a means to mitigate it, but a concerted effort, not a natural thing. Locke pissed me off for reasons I've forgotten on that account. I think he thought it was our nature, which I think is BS.
He doesn't travel well. He's like fine shrimp.
Anya ,'Touched'
Natter 64: Yes, we still need you
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
sarameg - Sep 05, 2009 6:19:47 pm PDT #7132 of 30001
Ginger - Sep 05, 2009 6:32:06 pm PDT #7133 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
My mother is 83, and we have political differences, but she does agree that gay couples can't have the same legal rights without marriage and she, unlike any of her relatives, some years ago concluded that being gay was not a "choice" and, in essence, that it was a shame to make people unhappy. We're not exactly on the same page, but she's got a good heart.
Hil R. - Sep 05, 2009 6:37:26 pm PDT #7134 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
Al Franken is much better at being a politician than I would have expected: [link] A woman in a Tea Party shirt confronts him about health care at the State Fair, a crowd gathers, and he talks for ten minutes and actually gets several of the people nodding in agreement to several of his points.
Jesse - Sep 05, 2009 6:43:53 pm PDT #7135 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
That is, they believe that left to their own devices, people will help each other and make sure no one is left destitute by and illness or will go hungry.
But I think there's a darker strain that believes that people who are destitute deserve it -- this is America and everyone has the opportunity to succeed, so if you don't, that's on you.
javachik - Sep 05, 2009 6:47:03 pm PDT #7136 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.
But I think there's a darker strain that believes that people who are destitute deserve it -- this is America and everyone has the opportunity to succeed, so if you don't, that's on you.
THIS.
erikaj - Sep 05, 2009 6:57:05 pm PDT #7137 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!
Yeah, well, they're wrong, and have stupid hair. David Simon said so. He used about a million more words than that and a whole television show.
Kat - Sep 05, 2009 7:03:20 pm PDT #7138 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
I'm thirding Jesse's point. I think the darker strain is way more prevalent.
K's arguing with a cousin on FB about the president's speech. I'm in bed and she was like, "Help me come up with a punchy comeback."
"oh, honey, losing sleep to fight crackpots on the internet is so 2000."
§ ita § - Sep 05, 2009 7:05:59 pm PDT #7139 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Kat, has she seen this?
Jesse - Sep 05, 2009 7:11:02 pm PDT #7140 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Sara! I'm watching Bobby Flay do a green chile cheeseburger Throwdown in NM.
Hil R. - Sep 05, 2009 7:12:44 pm PDT #7141 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
There's a new labeling system, designed by food manufacturers, to put a green check mark on foods that are "healthier choices." Among the foods that qualified for the check mark are Froot Loops and mayonnaise. [link]