I'm sorry, dad. You know I would never have tried to save River's life if I had known there was a dinner party at risk.

Simon ,'Safe'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


megan walker - Oct 26, 2009 6:00:10 pm PDT #15435 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I understand, intellectually, family rifts. But I just can't understand it outside of abuse of various sorts.

Some people are just mean spirited. I have an aunt I never met. Once she married and moved out, she just never wanted anything to do with the family, even though she lived in the same small town they grew up in. She particularly resented my mother (the youngest) and slammed the door in her face when she brought my Dad to meet her. Naturally, she's the one who took the few possessions my grandparents had when they died. At one point, one cousin went to her house and refused to leave without my grandfather's WWI medals.

It's weird because the rest of the family is very close, but we have cousins and 1st cousins once-removed that we've never met.

ETA: And now I feel bad for not calling my aunt today on her birthday.


sarameg - Oct 26, 2009 6:04:51 pm PDT #15436 of 30001

Well, yeah. It just is so stupid. Especially this one. SIl has good reason to be hurt, but she tried despite being hurt. And they just aren't. hand flapping Stupid.

It also upsets me because it means my nephews don't have a set of g-parents through no fault of their own. Not right.


brenda m - Oct 26, 2009 6:09:09 pm PDT #15437 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I'm going to posit that no grandparents may be preferable to those grandparents. Doesn't make the current situation less hurty, but it simply may not be fixable.


msbelle - Oct 26, 2009 6:10:29 pm PDT #15438 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

My cousins have a grandmother on their other side who always treated them like second-class grandkids. Right in front of them she would dote on the others and ignore them. SHe would send gifts to the others, not to them. She distributed family things, then sold the rest before they could have some. really nasty. Still her son and his wife kept the contact, but neither of those grandkids ever go see her.


sarameg - Oct 26, 2009 6:29:48 pm PDT #15439 of 30001

The thing that gets me is that if weren't for the parental bullshit towards SIL, the boys would be doted on by them. D was, until this. He brought out the best in them. It just seems like such a shame. Yes, they are imperfect. But kids have their parents' example too. My paternal g-mom was a goddamn bitch when it came to girlchildren. So totally had a preference and I knew it. But I knew her, and that, and was able to subtract that out to see what she offered me, thanks to my dad and aunt, though that took a while. And I see in her the things she gave her son to raise a daughter like me. Not all her, my parents had healthier role models elsewhere, but some of her, yeah, I see it. I just wish the boys will know enough of the other set of g-parents to take away the good. And that's iffy.

But I totally resent her for the boobs. Out of my entire female line on all sides, I got the boobs. The only one bigger than a B. Damnit.


Kat - Oct 26, 2009 7:08:59 pm PDT #15440 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

On one level grudges take a lot of initial energy, but then very little maintenance or follow up. In my family, we're not especially grudgey and frankly, I'm too tired to really grudgehold. How does anyone have the energy for it?


Connie Neil - Oct 26, 2009 7:30:12 pm PDT #15441 of 30001
brillig

How does anyone have the energy for it?

It gives the truly bitter a reason to live. They need the bile and the drama as sustenance.


Burrell - Oct 26, 2009 7:37:19 pm PDT #15442 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

On one level grudges take a lot of initial energy, but then very little maintenance or follow up.

So true.

Plus being the one to take the step towards reconciling is HARD.


Burrell - Oct 26, 2009 7:43:28 pm PDT #15443 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

It gives the truly bitter a reason to live. They need the bile and the drama as sustenance.

I dunno. I mean, yeah, I agree about the bitter--it's hard to feed a grudge without turning a bit bitter. But I know a lot of grudge holders that aren't into the drama at all. It's more like they have such a fragile sense of self that they need to hold onto the grudges to ensure that their identity remains fixed and stable.


-t - Oct 26, 2009 7:52:18 pm PDT #15444 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Once you've held a grudge for a while, I imagine it is as comfortable and comforting as any habit. Some people probably slip into that faster and more easily than others.