We die horribly and painfully, you go to hell and I spend eternity in the arms of baby Jesus.

Gunn ,'Not Fade Away'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Stephanie - Oct 19, 2009 11:04:27 am PDT #14396 of 30001
Trust my rage

ION, the Obama admininstration has told the DOJ to leave state-licensed medical marijuana sellers alone:

thanks for sharing this, Jess. My brother works for the Marijuana Policy Project and this is huge for them. (obviously, but still really cool to me)


meara - Oct 19, 2009 11:08:03 am PDT #14397 of 30001

Ok, now I'm curious... What is dry drunk behavior?


beth b - Oct 19, 2009 11:09:09 am PDT #14398 of 30001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Wait - the guidelines are a least a year old and no one caught it and now someone is in an unheated garage trying to find it.

Who Cares? Fix it and go on .

Not that I could do teppy's job, but I'd end up being fired because of a bad attitude.

The Blame game is stupid. Figuring out where to put blame, doesn't actually fix the problem


Barb - Oct 19, 2009 11:15:41 am PDT #14399 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

Yes indeed. It's a memoir about ... how much this guy thinks we should all believe in God, and REJECT SATAN.

::bangs head against desk whilst crying::


Steph L. - Oct 19, 2009 11:15:54 am PDT #14400 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Ok, now I'm curious... What is dry drunk behavior?

Someone who isn't an alcoholic who drinks (either an alcoholic who quit drinking, or someone who was never an alcoholic but was raised by one/married to one/etc.), but whose behavior/thought/relationship patterns are still damaging/abusive/destructive, etc.

Dr. Google could probably elaborate better than I can.


Burrell - Oct 19, 2009 11:21:41 am PDT #14401 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Ok, now I'm curious... What is dry drunk behavior?

I was going to ask the same. I recall the phrase being used to describe GWB as well.


Ginger - Oct 19, 2009 11:25:41 am PDT #14402 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

There are certain obsessive characteristics associated with alcoholics such as lying, an overwhelming need to be right and being hypercritical of others that often still characterize people who have stopped drinking. I used to say I should make buttons to sell to Alanon that said "Sober is not enough."


meara - Oct 19, 2009 11:34:00 am PDT #14403 of 30001

Yeah, I knew what a dry drunk was, I guess I meant more what you meant by the typical behaviors, what was so typical/ what are those ?

(more what Ginger said)


flea - Oct 19, 2009 11:42:34 am PDT #14404 of 30001
information libertarian

Who among us does not have an overwhelming need to be right? I mean, we're Buffistas!

(We have a family thing where mr. flea says, "Oh well, right again," to me in his best Laurie Anderson imitation. I told him and the children last weekend in the car that the only reason I'm right so much is that when I don't know what's going on, I shut up. I only say stuff when I know what I'm talking about.)


Steph L. - Oct 19, 2009 11:50:35 am PDT #14405 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Yeah, I knew what a dry drunk was, I guess I meant more what you meant by the typical behaviors, what was so typical/ what are those ?

If Ginger's answer wasn't enough, I have to refer you to Dr. Google, because I am not an authority on alcoholic behavior; only that which I've personally experienced.

And this controlling bullshit, expecting literal perfection and then punishing you when you couldn't deliver (because who can?) -- that's alcoholic/dry drunk behavior. Or, I should say, that behavior is not uncommon among some, though of course not all, alcoholics/dry drunks.