Look, Angel, I know you've been out of the loop for a while, but I'm still evil. I don't do errands...unless they're evil errands.

Lilah ,'Just Rewards (2)'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Laura - Mar 23, 2009 2:48:47 am PDT #884 of 5827
Our wings are not tired.

I might be able to see this story as a made for TV movie more than a series. In keeping with a long line of bad SciFi channel movies. Evil Dollhouse eventually taken down from within, all in a couple hours, if you must it could be dragged out into a mini-series. That would be more entertaining for me. (I'm not caught up yet, maybe the last one will grab me, but the comments don't convince me it will.)


sj - Mar 23, 2009 3:01:50 am PDT #885 of 5827
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I think of the Dollhouse as very much like Wolfram and Hart. Not everyone who works there is pure evil, but they have sold their souls just the same.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 23, 2009 3:39:09 am PDT #886 of 5827
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Finally caught up - mini-meara commentary.

I was really glad they didn't kill Mellie. I was positive up until the point that Adelle's voice came over the phone that that's where they were going (especially after the shot of the rose-petal-covered bed during the Patton Oswald section - my reaction to Echo's "See! Porn!" was "That, or Angelus just killed somebody's girlfriend"). The tragic music, the shots of Paul running and trying to call her - perfect misdirect. I cackled with laughter when her programming kicked in.

Does anyone else think Paul has a history with Caroline, possibly familial? During his conversation with Patton Oswald, with that wonderful (thank you, Teppy) "Bitch, PLEASE!" expression on his face, I kept waiting for him to say something along the lines of "Buddy, you are SO off base."

It is kind of funny that they were concerned about lingering effects for Sierra when it's business as usual for them to wipe Echo's mind clean of traumatic experiences like being the Most Dangerous Game or having sex with Patton Oswalt.

I think it may have to do with the fact that the abuse came when Sierra was in her Doll state. They now have to recreate her default mode, instead of just bringing her back to it.

Agreed with Hec on knowing Adelle's backstory. It would be funny if it somehow turned out that she was the inside person.


Nora Deirdre - Mar 23, 2009 3:53:51 am PDT #887 of 5827
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

I think it may have to do with the fact that the abuse came when Sierra was in her Doll state. They now have to recreate her default mode, instead of just bringing her back to it.

Yeah, also, because the previous wiping seems to not have been complete, given the freakout on Viktor.

Aw, Viktor. He's the only one that brings a sense of life to his Doll state.


SailAweigh - Mar 23, 2009 5:24:24 am PDT #888 of 5827
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Oh, I know! Pure innocence and played quite well by the actor.


Vortex - Mar 23, 2009 5:38:28 am PDT #889 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Does anyone else think Paul has a history with Caroline, possibly familial?

I don't think so, he didn't know who she was until he had the picture with "Caroline" written on the back. And he had the striking FBI lady trying to find out who she was.

Yeah, also, because the previous wiping seems to not have been complete, given the freakout on Viktor.

They weren't wiping the doll state, so she had memories of what happened. Hearn asked her if she remembered the game, and Sierra remembered that she had to be quiet.


Toddson - Mar 23, 2009 6:17:56 am PDT #890 of 5827
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

While the Dollhouse gets points for stopping Sierra's abuse, don't forget that they're the ones who set her up as the perfect victim in the first place. She's had her personality and memories wiped and her handler - who she's programmed to trust absolutely and who has the power in the relationship - was the one they picked to be in that position. There probably had been hints in his past that he'd be likely to take advantage of anyone in his power.

And I'm getting more and more tired of the extent to which the women on the show are subjected to violence. Even if they can fight back, they're being subjected to a lot of being hit. And until Mellie's programming kicked in, she was being beaten, strangled, dragged around that apartment.


Nora Deirdre - Mar 23, 2009 6:54:03 am PDT #891 of 5827
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

And I'm getting more and more tired of the extent to which the women on the show are subjected to violence. Even if they can fight back, they're being subjected to a lot of being hit. And until Mellie's programming kicked in, she was being beaten, strangled, dragged around that apartment.

Yes, I find that viscerally squicky as well.


Vortex - Mar 23, 2009 6:58:34 am PDT #892 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

yes, the women are being subjected to violence, but they're not the only ones. Paul gets beaten up just about every show. And, although the women are subjected to violence, they ultimately come out on top.


Nora Deirdre - Mar 23, 2009 7:23:42 am PDT #893 of 5827
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

I know... logically, I know. But it still makes me clench.