yes, the women are being subjected to violence, but they're not the only ones. Paul gets beaten up just about every show. And, although the women are subjected to violence, they ultimately come out on top.
Mal: So we run. Nandi: I understand, Captain Reynolds. You have your people to think of, same as me. And this ain't your fight. Mal: Don't believe you do understand, Nandi. I said 'we run'. We.
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Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers
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Vortex - Mar 23, 2009 6:58:34 am PDT #892 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Nora Deirdre - Mar 23, 2009 7:23:42 am PDT #893 of 5827
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)
I know... logically, I know. But it still makes me clench.
Vortex - Mar 23, 2009 7:28:56 am PDT #894 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
If I may ask, did it bother you on Buffy? I remember reading about how Buffy was the first show where women really fought and got hit, and it really disturbed a lot of people.
Frankenbuddha - Mar 23, 2009 7:31:51 am PDT #895 of 5827
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I wonder if some of it is the attitude Eliza projects during fight scenes. I remember the fights between Buffy and Faith (or Angel and Faith) were by far the most disturbing fight scenes on either show, and I think it was the vibe coming from Eliza.
The scene with Mellie bothered me, but it was supposed to. The audience was definitely being set up to think she was toast. In fact, for me, it was giving Maddie's murder on Twin Peaks a run for the money. However, I was so relieived when the twist came that I didn't care how disturbing the set up was.
Toddson - Mar 23, 2009 7:33:25 am PDT #896 of 5827
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"
I think it bothered me less on Buffy because (1) she went out looking for vampires, etc., to kill; (2) she was aware of what she was doing and was pretty much prepared for it; and (3) I don't remember it being so unrelenting. It just seems that week after week we've seen women - who aren't actually aware of what's going on (having been programmed) being beaten. And, often, they aren't prepared for it - when the guy decided it'd be fun to hunt Echo, or in the cult show when the leader hits her, or this past week when Mellie's in the apartment and Hearn (that was his name, right?) breaks in and starts beating her.
DavidS - Mar 23, 2009 7:34:27 am PDT #897 of 5827
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
And he had the striking FBI lady trying to find out who she was.
Let me also cast my vote with finding her very striking and cool. I wouldn't mind her character being expanded at all.
I wonder if some of it is the attitude Eliza projects during fight scenes. I remember the fights between Buffy and Faith (or Angel and Faith) were by far the most disturbing fight scenes on either show, and I think it was the vibe coming from Eliza.
Interesting point. ED does project a bruisedness very well.
Nora Deirdre - Mar 23, 2009 7:40:43 am PDT #898 of 5827
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)
Buffy fight scenes didn't ping me that way- she was a superhero and it was (usually) against fantasy monsters, etc. It just didn't bother me as much as Esther getting smacked around by various men or Echo getting slapped by the thief guy after being erased and confused or Mellie getting brutalized. However, the Ballard/Echo fight scene was OK in my brain, I guess because it was on equal footing.
Wolfram - Mar 23, 2009 7:43:31 am PDT #899 of 5827
Visilurking
For Hec, from way upthread (sorry I missed it).
Did you not see the pilot? Because the slash was very present and intentional.
Yeah, it was me who wasn't programmed to see the slash yet. I hadn't found you guys back then.
And back to Dollhouse:
I liked this episode, but the conversation between Paul and the millionaire was 10 minutes too long and entirely too anvilly. Also, they used 24-type logic to show Boyd back at CTU the Dollhouse before the millionaire had even begun drinking his champagne.
The Paul/Mellie romance was poorly executed. I guess they needed to rush it for the Mellie twist. Which was so expected that it took me by surprise. In a good way.
Boyd does not have the technical know-how to be the inside man. At least not alone.
sj - Mar 23, 2009 7:43:41 am PDT #900 of 5827
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
Buffy fight scenes didn't ping me that way- she was a superhero and it was (usually) against fantasy monsters, etc. It just didn't bother me as much as Esther getting smacked around by various men or Echo getting slapped by the thief guy after being erased and confused or Mellie getting brutalized. However, the Ballard/Echo fight scene was OK in my brain, I guess because it was on equal footing.
I seem to remember when Spike hit Anya at the beginning of S7 it pinged a lot of people despite one being a vampire and one a demon, and they were essentially on equal footing in their violent abilities.
Vortex - Mar 23, 2009 7:45:41 am PDT #901 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
The Paul/Mellie romance was poorly executed. I guess they needed to rush it for the Mellie twist. Which was so expected that it took me by surprise. In a good way.
yes, it was. We went from Paul being nice to the annoying neighbor to her suddenly sitting in his living room and he's telling her the deep dark secrets of the case. Don't get me wrong, I definitely like the new Mellie more, she just came out of nowhere.