Mal: You were dead! Tracy: Hunh? Oh. Right. Suppose I was. Hey there, Zoe.

'The Message'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 19, 2009 7:26:09 am PDT #745 of 5827
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I could read that as the life coach part isn't what he'd explored enough, but I'm startled that people thought it came right out of the gate with too little sex.

I think technically, only the first two epsiodes explicitly referenced Echo as having sex (and in the first it was only a flash and a bit of dialogue). But it's like that both Joss and the interviewer are completely oblivious to the in-your-face-ness of "Eliza is HOT!!!!!" that's been going on. The question itself made me tilt my head in a confused-dog fashion. Joss' answer didn't change that reaction.


megan walker - Mar 19, 2009 7:30:43 am PDT #746 of 5827
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I'm confused by this question:

Most of the dolls are there voluntarily, but knowing that at least one isn't, doesn't that continue to make the show uncomfortable?

Do we know that most are there voluntarily? Who isn't?


aurelia - Mar 19, 2009 7:59:20 am PDT #747 of 5827
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I seem to remember from some other interview that Joss wanted to get deeper into the ethical questions from the start and that the network wanted "Eliza is hot!" without the ethics.


Kevin - Mar 19, 2009 8:41:44 am PDT #748 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

According to Eliza there was a 'romance script' written very early on - possibly gay romance, I can't remember - and it was tossed out by the network.

Here's a thing:

"Man on the Street" definitely contains elements that were pitched by or developed by people at the network in terms of the motivations of the Dollhouse and the feel of the politics of the thing and the thriller aspect.

To my mind, if FOX edged Whedon to produce a well reviewed, well received episode - all credit to the network for that.


Steph L. - Mar 19, 2009 1:31:09 pm PDT #749 of 5827
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Most of the dolls are there voluntarily, but knowing that at least one isn't, doesn't that continue to make the show uncomfortable?

Do we know that most are there voluntarily? Who isn't?

I was wondering that, too. I don't remember anything other than Computer Guy saying something like "They chose to be here," and Handler Guy asking, "Did they?"

But I don't remember anything about a specific person being there involuntarily.


Dana - Mar 19, 2009 1:32:56 pm PDT #750 of 5827
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

It seems like Caroline was at least partially coerced, though we don't know any of the details.


megan walker - Mar 19, 2009 1:38:03 pm PDT #751 of 5827
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

It seems like Caroline was at least partially coerced,

Not to me. From what I saw, she was presented with two options and she chose this one. It might not have been two great options, but it was her choice.


Dana - Mar 19, 2009 1:39:59 pm PDT #752 of 5827
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

If her other option was jail, does that count as coercion?


megan walker - Mar 19, 2009 1:45:35 pm PDT #753 of 5827
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

If her other option was jail, does that count as coercion?

Not if she committed a crime.


Dana - Mar 19, 2009 1:46:39 pm PDT #754 of 5827
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Yeah. Knee-jerk response from having spent my formative years in Nikita fandom.

I'm sure we'll find out -- well, if the show survives past a certain point, I'm sure we'll find out the story.