Gavin, ask yourself this question. What are you more afraid of, a giant murderous demon or me?

Lilah ,'Destiny'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


§ ita § - Jan 15, 2010 8:16:27 pm PST #2568 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I didn't think Dollhouse would make me cry, but doll!Boyd teared me right up.

I don't know if you can imprint someone with a doll. Is there a there there?

Next episode (not next week, the week after because of the Haiti telethon) is Epitaph 2, so set in the same time frame as (probably right after) Epitaph 1.

That was a twisted and messy episode. It made me uncomfortable and upset. Boyd's manipulation of person after person...just horrible. But I was still sad they sacrificed him. Isn't he a new person, wiped? Why does the body pay the price of the brain that's gone--not even backed up as far as we know?


§ ita § - Jan 15, 2010 8:17:54 pm PST #2569 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Victor as Topher freaked me out, actually. It was just creepy. I have no idea why Priya didn't cotton on immediately. It was just so on. The first time was funny. This time was spooky.


Laga - Jan 15, 2010 8:18:16 pm PST #2570 of 5827
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

It seemed like a big oversight on Adele's part to bring a doll with sleeper programming with on their mission.


Polter-Cow - Jan 15, 2010 8:21:32 pm PST #2571 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I don't know if you can imprint someone with a doll. Is there a there there?

Isn't he a new person, wiped?

That's the thing, though. Is he even a person in Doll state? I hadn't really thought about the body paying the price of the brain that's gone.

I really wonder how they're going to end this all. I kind of wish we got to see the actual thoughtpocalypse, not just the post-thoughtpocalyptic wasteland.


§ ita § - Jan 15, 2010 8:25:23 pm PST #2572 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Adele, in theory, worked for the wellbeing of her Dolls. She didn't stop Sierra being raped just because it was messing with product. And these are not contracts anyone's ever going to come after them if they don't fulfill. That at least, is a matter of honor.

Sending Boyd in like that was cold.

Adele was on tonight. I thought it was sweet she reached over and comforted Topher when he was first freaking out about Boyd and his complicity. But when he was deep in the thoughtpocalypse and touched her leg she definitely wasn't feeling it.

And the tone of her voice at hearing Anthony had enhancements.


Laga - Jan 15, 2010 8:27:39 pm PST #2573 of 5827
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

If I'm not looking at the screen I can't tell the difference between Topher and Victor!Topher. But he doesn't creep me out (other than being horrified that he might find out about Bennett again) he just makes me sad knowing two more weeks means no new Victor ever.


Typo Boy - Jan 15, 2010 8:39:13 pm PST #2574 of 5827
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

One minor point. I was interrupted a lot during this so I could have have got stuff wrong. But did Topher fix the remote imprint thing by reversing the polarity?


Polter-Cow - Jan 15, 2010 8:55:00 pm PST #2575 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Essentially!


le nubian - Jan 16, 2010 4:03:44 am PST #2576 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I feel like there were huge plot holes that were essentially unacknowledged in last night's episodes. Mind you, I was entertained and I thought Boyd's fate was fitting.

The biggest plot hole is the role of special snowflake Caroline. Her spinal fluid was supposed to function as a vaccine to the inevitable remote mind wiping. Okay, so far I'm on board with the ridiculous premise. Not as bad as mitochlorins and the force, but okay.

Did Boyd not get that Caroline is no more despite her body's antibodies? If she is shot with the new weapon, she is still Echo. Early on (last season), she was in the doll state and nearly flipped out because she was out in the world as a doll. It took years for her to evolve to Echo.

So how was this vaccine supposed to work?


Shir - Jan 16, 2010 5:36:19 am PST #2577 of 5827
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

I feel like there were huge plot holes that were essentially unacknowledged in last night's episodes.

That was me, only for me, Paul and Mellie (sp?) were the weak points of the ep. From why and why the hell M. can resist the sleeper in her, they just were off. Time for action, and time for romance, and the sex with Spike comes later.

I also felt as if some parts of the ep were just "in the air", and I possibly needed more time to digest them.

The awesome, strong points were Addle, Clyde (LOVED the Aimee Mann look!) and Topher, in that order. First ep I didn't disliked Caroline/Echo, too.

Boyd!Doll was indeed heartbreaking.

Man, I cannot wait to have spare time to tear up this show and analyze it. I feel - I know - there's so much to it that what's on the surface. The whole how our emotions, trust and knowledge is constructed in modernity. I feel the show served this notion well, all in all, and maybe ingeniously. I just to find the time to do it.