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Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

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Strega - Feb 26, 2009 7:17:06 pm PST #228 of 5827

I think the latter would be like Hugh Jackman in THE PRESTIGE - suddenly there are two of you, rather than you jumping your mind into another body.

But both of them are you. What happens to you after the fact doesn't make one more real than the other, so how do you determine which is the original? That was central to The Prestige -- was the "original" teleported, and a copy was created where the original had been, or was a copy created some distance away? There's no way to tell.


Cass - Feb 26, 2009 7:24:55 pm PST #229 of 5827
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

So new body, equals different person.

Where do organ transplants fall for you? I mean, beyond horror films or Angel the Series episodes where clearly the evil resides in the bits.

[edit: I fall in the line of thinking where *you* are basically only located in your brain and the rest is just muscle memory.]


§ ita § - Feb 26, 2009 7:32:47 pm PST #230 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I fall in the line of thinking where *you* are basically only located in your brain and the rest is just muscle memory.

What if, and this has nothing to do with Dollhouse, an exact copy of the brain is made. Can you duplicate the self that way?


DavidS - Feb 26, 2009 7:46:30 pm PST #231 of 5827
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

an exact copy of the brain is made. Can you duplicate the self that way?

Twins? Not exact in experience but pretty close (generally), and genetically exact. Yet, quite different.


Vortex - Feb 26, 2009 7:48:08 pm PST #232 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Twins? Not exact in experience but pretty close (generally), and genetically exact. Yet, quite different.

but they do not have the exact same experiences. similar, but not exact.


Cass - Feb 26, 2009 7:51:49 pm PST #233 of 5827
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

::ponders::

Hmmm, no. I don't think so. I think I used brain earlier as a shorthand (in my own mind, as well) for "brain + consciousness = person."

So, I don't think that an exact copy of the brain would duplicate the self. I think duplicating self requires the consciousness. And while I don't think that consciousness is in any organ beyond the brain, I don't know if it is only in the brain.

Hmmm, things to think about.


§ ita § - Feb 26, 2009 7:52:24 pm PST #234 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If you make a precise physical duplicate of me and then record me and imprint it, where am I?


Cass - Feb 26, 2009 7:54:08 pm PST #235 of 5827
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

but they do not have the exact same experiences. similar, but not exact.

Most identical twins that I have known are just that - similar, but not exact(ly the same.) Even physically. I have twin uncles and one is slightly taller. Guess he had better nutrition / calcium.


Typo Boy - Feb 26, 2009 7:54:40 pm PST #236 of 5827
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

The new you thinks she is you. If the old you is there you think you are you, but you don't think the new you is you. All your friends think "two itas! Awesome".


DavidS - Feb 26, 2009 8:17:22 pm PST #237 of 5827
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think we're in split Crichton territory on Farscape for the duplicable self.