an exact copy of the brain is made. Can you duplicate the self that way?
Twins? Not exact in experience but pretty close (generally), and genetically exact. Yet, quite different.
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DavidS - Feb 26, 2009 7:46:30 pm PST #231 of 5827
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Vortex - Feb 26, 2009 7:48:08 pm PST #232 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Twins? Not exact in experience but pretty close (generally), and genetically exact. Yet, quite different.
but they do not have the exact same experiences. similar, but not exact.
Cass - Feb 26, 2009 7:51:49 pm PST #233 of 5827
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
::ponders::
Hmmm, no. I don't think so. I think I used brain earlier as a shorthand (in my own mind, as well) for "brain + consciousness = person."
So, I don't think that an exact copy of the brain would duplicate the self. I think duplicating self requires the consciousness. And while I don't think that consciousness is in any organ beyond the brain, I don't know if it is only in the brain.
Hmmm, things to think about.
§ ita § - Feb 26, 2009 7:52:24 pm PST #234 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
If you make a precise physical duplicate of me and then record me and imprint it, where am I?
Cass - Feb 26, 2009 7:54:08 pm PST #235 of 5827
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
but they do not have the exact same experiences. similar, but not exact.
Most identical twins that I have known are just that - similar, but not exact(ly the same.) Even physically. I have twin uncles and one is slightly taller. Guess he had better nutrition / calcium.
Typo Boy - Feb 26, 2009 7:54:40 pm PST #236 of 5827
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The new you thinks she is you. If the old you is there you think you are you, but you don't think the new you is you. All your friends think "two itas! Awesome".
DavidS - Feb 26, 2009 8:17:22 pm PST #237 of 5827
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I think we're in split Crichton territory on Farscape for the duplicable self.
Calli - Feb 27, 2009 2:30:20 am PST #238 of 5827
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
Alpha was the surprise. Echo was already an Active when he snapped. Have they created any more Actives since?
I think Sierra was created after Alpha went off. Wasn't Sierra getting her first treatment when Echo was in the middle of the kidnapping arc? And Alpha did his thing when Echo's current handler came on board (was kind of responsible for it), so it seems Sierra would have to be a later addition.
Frankenbuddha - Feb 27, 2009 3:13:00 am PST #239 of 5827
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I think we're in split Crichton territory on Farscape for the duplicable self.
FARSCAPE is THE PRINCESS BRIDE of TV Sci-Fi - everything comes back to it enventually.
Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 27, 2009 3:59:29 am PST #240 of 5827
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
It may be that there are reasons a long-term imprint, even of a single cohesive personality, wouldn't remain stable in a body/brain other than the one it originated in. That would limit some of the more lucrative applications like body swapping for extremely rich and elderly or otherwise dying people. (Hell, we don't even have any real assurance that returning an imprint of the original consciousness to its own body once the 5 years are over would be stable.)