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'Out Of Gas'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Frankenbuddha - Oct 23, 2009 9:01:03 pm PDT #2236 of 5827
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I gotta plug my man Enver. I hope he goes on to great things when this is done. I loved his art dealer, and I always like his blank slate.

Damn - I almost (almost? Hah! who am I kidding) wish they'd gotten him as the fill-in on Leverage instead of Jeri Ryan.


Kevin - Oct 23, 2009 9:01:33 pm PDT #2237 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Here's a shot of what Echo is writing on her Dollbed: [link]


§ ita § - Oct 23, 2009 9:04:53 pm PDT #2238 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I almost (almost? Hah! who am I kidding) wish they'd gotten him as the fill-in on Leverage instead of Jeri Ryan.

I'd be happy with the team that boy heavy, and he'd make a marvellous long conman.


Shir - Oct 24, 2009 3:26:01 am PDT #2239 of 5827
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Excellent, excellent, excellent episode. [I'm reading this thread since it was opened, but after watching this episode, and getting back to university, I decided to skip the 657 posts left to this point. Not that I have anything interesting to share, but I just had to share the wowness. Mostly because there were several episodes I thought were good, and then, after reading the posts here, I realized some of the problems in them].

It wasn't a smart ep, for me, but it gave me the emotional comfort zone I needed to have a healthy relationship with a Whedon/Minear TV show - that is, breaking my heart, twisting my mind and making me open my eyes with amazement every other scene, experience it in real time, and do so in a believable way. Now, if I could only have episodes with both smartness and emotional abuse from the writers/producers smeared upon them, I would be a very happy Dollhouse watcher.

I didn't expect Topher to imprint Priya the way he did. In fact, I was surprised he did anything at all. But I hardly think it was his first moral dilemma in the Dollhouse - otherwise, I don't think he would have done anything, just stand there, in awe of how suckish life can be. Plus, hello, the Whiskey story?

As I mentioned, I'm a uni-girl. This year I'm taking an amazing class with the pretty amazing (so far) Dr. Dena Freeman, titled Society, Happiness and Well being (from the description: "in this course we will look at the relationship between happiness and well-being and the type of society that we live in. We will question what is a ‘good society’ and what do we really mean by ‘well-being’. We will explore the burgeoning new ‘Science of Happiness’, with its contributions from sociology, psychology, economics and neuroscience and consider how insights from anthropology might deepen and enrich our understandings of happiness. Throughout the course we will engage with questions regarding the shared humanity of all people, and the yet the diversity of cultural interpretation and experience." - and that's not even the cool part about it (if anyone wants to read the syllabus, I'd happily send it.)) Anyway, this ep made me think how to analyze the concept of happiness in the Dollhouse, and right now I'd really like to bring this show into question in one of the classes (hey, maybe I'll even be allowed to write the final paper about it. Maybe.)

Oh, and since this is my first Dollhouse post here, the standards: I loved Topher from the start, grew to love Victor and adore him with every fiber of my being, think someone should get the act of Echo up together (it's really hard to follow her plot line. I know generally what she does, but have no particular idea (or empathy, more likely) why she's doing what she's doing. She's a mystery, and the trouble is she doesn't interest me very much to follow her.) Oh, and Whiskey and Alpah owned the screen when they were on it.


Juliebird - Oct 24, 2009 5:34:10 am PDT #2240 of 5827
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Rewatched this morning. I've never done that with a DH ep before. This episode has made the opening credits wholly inappropriate and inaccurate. I've never liked them, but this is the first time I've cringed.

I did notice that it was basically Boyd's decision that Priya had to return to the dollhouse. When Topher says that she doesn't belong there and can't go back, Boyd replies that she has to, and the entire cover story relied on Sierra have been left behind. So now I'm trying to follow Boyd's logic. Security risk? Murder-cover-up risk? Her potentially popping up on the radar with no Nolan, therefore exposing the lie?

Also, what was the imprints name when she was with Nolan?


Strix - Oct 24, 2009 6:14:34 am PDT #2241 of 5827
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I thought it was one of the more interesting episodes yet.

I'm digging Boyd's complicity, and the scene where he makes Topher clean up his mess was just brill. "Consequences." Awesome.

Tep, I agree, Adele's haircut does need layers. Way she was stumbling around, reidel in hand, maybe it was supposed to express her moral...flatness.

It's finally becoming more intriguing.


§ ita § - Oct 24, 2009 6:17:57 am PDT #2242 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wonder if her name was still Priya. It would match Nolan's fantasy, but tip his hand to the Dollhouse.

I'm happy they did this story. I think they did a good job of not having our people complicit in the horror even if Adele did bend in the end. Before it looked like they might have known all along.

I also liked the instory acknowledgment of Topher's amorality. I really didn't like him at the start, and although I still feel justified in that, I like his arc, especially how it peaked this episode.

Boyd is a badass. I know this show is a gift to Eliza, but I would definitely miss her the least if she left. There's just not enough Boyd. And if Tim could write Ballard every week...


Glamcookie - Oct 24, 2009 8:27:03 am PDT #2243 of 5827
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

That was a really good ep. I'm not understanding, though, how it's okay that Sierra and Victor remember each other. They seem to be breaking their internal rules on how the Dollhouse works. I do love those two together, though.

Still hate Topher.


tiggy - Oct 24, 2009 8:34:04 am PDT #2244 of 5827
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

I didn't expect Topher to imprint Priya the way he did.

based on his reaction when Adele told him he had to do it, i was expecting him to imprint her with some assasination/ninja skills so she could take care of herself. wasn't expecting him to put her original personality back.

I loved Topher from the start, grew to love Victor and adore him with every fiber of my being

this is me.


§ ita § - Oct 24, 2009 8:38:22 am PDT #2245 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's Victor I loved from the git go. His doll state is so open and childlike, and all his characters are so well-polished and distinct. I'm still not drawn to Sierra, but I think she did the story well.