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Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

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Vortex - May 11, 2009 8:41:21 am PDT #1625 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

If the wedge were useless, it would have been made clear that Caroline was gone and there was no hope of getting her back.

Well, no one but Alpha and Echo know that Wendy was imprinted with Caroline before she was killed, and Echo may not have realized that the wedge is empty. Alpha knew this, and used the wedge as a bargaining chip/way to get away. Topher would have realized this when he got the wedge back, but this may be a twist that they use at some point.

I think it is more like copy a file from your desktop to a thumbnail drive. Leaves the file intact. Thought the Taffy ep made that pretty clear.

I thought about that, but there are two difference - first, Taffy isn't a person, she's a composite, so she can be recreated at any time. Secondly, all of the backups were intact at the time, so we don't know that he didn't use the backup.


-t - May 11, 2009 8:49:54 am PDT #1626 of 5827
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I'm not clear on what Topher was checking, but even supposing that the Caroline wedge was empty, I say Caroline is still in Echo somewhere. Topher being so sure that when you wipe someone they are thoroughly wiped, Adelle saying that Alpha's original personality was irrelevant, both clearly wrong - Alpha snapped not just because he had a bunch of personalities in his head but also because that original personality (that shouldn't, according to Topher, have been there at all) was a serial killer in the making and fixated on Echo. No coincidence that that first victim looked a lot like both Whiskey and Echo.

So, I could go either way on Caroline still being on the wedge, but she's not exactly dead, regardless.


Frankenbuddha - May 11, 2009 9:04:28 am PDT #1627 of 5827
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

So, I could go either way on Caroline still being on the wedge, but she's not exactly dead, regardless.

Especially given Echo's last line in the episode.


Wolfram - May 11, 2009 10:08:48 am PDT #1628 of 5827
Visilurking

Didn't Alpha threaten to use the wedge to keep making "Carolines" and then keep killing them? That would only be consistent with the Caroline identity staying on the wedge after imprint.


le nubian - May 11, 2009 10:11:34 am PDT #1629 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

yes. he was planning to keep imprinting Carolines all over the land.


Vortex - May 11, 2009 10:23:27 am PDT #1630 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Hm, that's true. Perhaps he deleted the Whiskey imprint instead of taking the wedge so that they wouldn't know that he took it. I mean, Alpha took the trouble to put the imprint away, wrap it back with the paper and the rubber band so he didn't want them to know that he had that imprint, but he didn't care that they knew that he had the Caroline imprints.

Did he imprint her with the Whiskey imprint so that she would know him? (side note: who's fantasy is it to spend some time with a thrill kill couple)


-t - May 11, 2009 10:30:43 am PDT #1631 of 5827
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

He said he needed that imprint to help him escape - she stole the car, for example.


Frankenbuddha - May 11, 2009 10:34:41 am PDT #1632 of 5827
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

side note: who's fantasy is it to spend some time with a thrill kill couple

Somebody who enjoyed Natural Born Killers WAY too much.


Typo Boy - May 11, 2009 10:49:35 am PDT #1633 of 5827
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

who's fantasy is it to spend some time with a thrill kill couple

>Somebody who enjoyed Natural Born Killers WAY too much.

I was thinking maybe a fan of the Warren Beatty / Faye Dunaway Bonnie and Clyde. Which Ginger totally called. Matt the Bruins fan "Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers" May 1, 2009 7:10:39 pm PDT (Note: I linked to Matt's post preceding Ginger's cause it is needed for context.)


sj - May 11, 2009 11:17:28 am PDT #1634 of 5827
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

who's fantasy is it to spend some time with a thrill kill couple

I was thinking it was someone with murderous fantasies, that thought he was going to get to be part of the fun, not the victim.