This episode made me cry. Topher and Sierra.
Also, I went to a Dollhouse convention in the UK at the weekend, which was fun considering it hasn't even aired here. Everybody was aheming it.
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Kevin - Apr 28, 2009 2:04:56 pm PDT #1414 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Typo Boy - Apr 28, 2009 2:20:25 pm PDT #1415 of 5827
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
This episode made me cry. Topher and Sierra
Topher raping Sierra... Hey the whole consent issue is especially acute with Sierra.
Remember when the series first aired, Allyson predicted Topher would take part of his compensation in time with the dolls? And have one of the dolls channel Willow? I'd say at this point her prediction wins brownie points or a no-prize or something. Prediction one: dead on. Prediction two: like a millimeter from the bullseye.
Jon B. - Apr 28, 2009 2:26:24 pm PDT #1416 of 5827
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Topher raping Sierra...
Do we know there was sex? Looked like buddy fun to me. Not saying there couldn't have been sex, but we don't know.
Typo Boy - Apr 28, 2009 2:31:08 pm PDT #1417 of 5827
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Do we know there was sex? Looked like buddy fun to me.
Maybe I misunderstood something, but at the very end of the night after all the buddy fun was over Sierra turn out the light and went into Topher's arms in Topher's bed. You saw the last bit outlined in the window after the light went out. So that is really STRONGLY implied sex.
Typo Boy - Apr 28, 2009 2:35:27 pm PDT #1418 of 5827
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Or maybe what I saw was blowing out a Birthday cake. So maybe it was innocent, and I'm misunderstanding.
Typo Boy - Apr 28, 2009 2:37:31 pm PDT #1419 of 5827
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
OK, my bad. Sierra was bring Topher a Birthday cake. OK so not part of the horrid rape thing.
Vortex - Apr 28, 2009 2:41:58 pm PDT #1420 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I thought that was sort of the point. Topher wanted a friend not a sex partner.
Typo Boy - Apr 28, 2009 2:52:58 pm PDT #1421 of 5827
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Yeah, I thought they screwed up at the end. I was wrong. I'm thinking of changing my user name to Guacface.
Juliebird - Apr 28, 2009 3:00:55 pm PDT #1422 of 5827
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
And here I was thinking that it didn't have to be sex to be rape, which is why I've given up on the whole argument. Whether they fuck them or not is not relevant to the rape issue. It's not the sex, it's the control. Whether it's a tea party with teddy bears or whips and chains or bows and arrows. I thought that this had been implied in most of the conversations going on here.
And why I have stopped raising an eyebrow whenever there is sex. If the one is rape, so is everything else, or none at all unless specified by the current imprint. I feel like I've been f'duh'd this before, but then I don't see this in following conversation.
Or maybe I should crawl back under my rock.
Typo Boy - Apr 28, 2009 3:48:35 pm PDT #1423 of 5827
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Umm - OK, this is something where I may need to be educated. I thought rape did involve sex (defining sex very broadly to include whips and chains and ropes and role playing and so on). But kidnapping someone and making them play laser tag, or battleship od D&D I'm pretty sure is not sex. Kidnapping or some similar crime. Yeah rape is about power, but it is also (at least for the rapist) about sex. Not all kidnapping is rape, though kidnapping without rape still evil.